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Cranks, but no start when engine is warmed up

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#1 ·
I have this problem with my 1999 Saab 9-5 where it starts when it's completely cold, but as soon as it's warmed up, and I shut it off, it won't
start again for days. Just cranks away, but never starts. So the starter seems to be working, and the ignition. I replaced the crankshaft
position sensor
since that was the most obvious cause, and thought it was fixed for a couple of days, but it isn't. Still doing the exact same thing. I'm wondering if it's the DIC. Or perhaps the Camshaft Position Sensor. I think the camshaft position sensor is built into the DIC on this year. Confirmation anyone?
  1. Could it be the DIC cause this sort of problem?
  2. Even though it's a brand new crank position sensor, how exactly would I test it with a voltmeter?
  3. I've heard of a starter that is just starting to fail displaying similar symptoms also, though I don't think exactly the same. When a starter gets warmed up and then you turn the vehicle off and crank it again, it cranks slower than it should and the vehicle doesn't start. If you let the starter cool down, it
    cranks at normal speed and the vehicle will then start. Possibility? Though I've not really detected the starter sounding overly slugish when cranking ever, even when hot, so I feel like this is a more remote possible cause of my problem.
Any help is greatly appreciated. I've been fighting this stupid problem for months now. Not good to be down to one vehicle and have it at work all day with you when you have a pregnant wife at home with 4 other kids! :(
 
#2 ·
It could be the DIC (the camshaft position sensor is built into it). If the cps is still at fault you will notice that the tacho is not moving when you crank it, if the old o ring was not removed when the new one was fitted you will get problems with it.

At this stage I would replace the DIC before anything else.
 
#3 ·
Yeah, I read somewhere about that o ring. I took the cps out again last weekend and felt around in the hole that it fits into and didn't really feel anything but metal. I don't think it's in there still, but I'm not positive.
Is there any way to test the new cps with a voltmeter? I'll try the tacho test when I get home.
Also, is there only one DIC, or two on this car? All the pics I've seen of them, they never have 6 connectors hanging down. I figured there would need to be 1 per spark plug.
 
#4 ·
A quick static test is to test the resistance using your digital voltmeter. Switch it over to ohms and check. The resistance should read 860 +/- 90 ohms at 20 Deg C (68Deg F) measured across pins 1 and 2. That's the tolerance given, but I have known that CPS inside tolerance still be at fault and those outside of tolerance still be OK. Sorry it's not more definitive than that.
 
#5 ·
Thinking about the symtoms (starts and runs fine, till the engine is warmed up, then won't start again), does that sound more like a fuel problem to you, or a spark problem? Just would like a more likely place to start. Getting old sinking money into this car. The only two things I've ever seen replacement suggestions on to do with these symptoms is the CPS and the DIC, which has the camshaft position sensor built into it. Perhaps the next logical step would be to replace the plugs and the DIC both?
 
#7 ·
Question: I keep reading about a way to test the DIC by turning it upside down
and grounding it to the negative battery cable and cranking the engine to see if
all the plugs spark correctly. It says to ground the DIC with a wire. But how???
What do I connect the wire to on the DIC side?
 
#13 ·
So I just tested both DICs by turning them upside down, inserting a good
spark plug in one of the boot things, wrapping one end of a strong wire around
the threads of the spark plug and the other end around the negative post of the
battery and having my son crank the engine while I watched for spark. There was
a good strong pulsating spark as he cranked the engine on all 6 positions of the
2 DICs. Seems like the DIC is operating fine. At least from a producing
electrical current so the plugs spark well anyway. However, from what I've read,
the camshaft position sensor (not CPS) is built into these DICs. If that's the
case, I wonder if that part of the DIC could still be bad, or going bad, yet
still produce a strong spark during my test?
 
#14 · (Edited)
Switching back to the CPS. Just pulled it out again, and I'm not seeing a rubber gasket at all. Not in the hole, nor around the CPS itself. Unless it's the really small one right up against the base of it. Should there be another one? Seems like it's leaking a lot of oil in this area. Makes me think it's the CPS that's the cause of the leak.