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VED - Band G

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So gas guzzling band G cars will pay £300 this year and £400 next year. To be in band G, I read it that car must be registered 23/3/06 or after and be above 225g/km CO2. If it is registered before 23/3/06 it will be in band F which will pay something like £220 this year and £225 the year after.

Now looking at Saabs website all(?) the petrol auto 9-5s are above 225g/km so I can see that the demand for these second hand will be hit if registered 23/3/06 or after whilst people like me will be looking for one registered before 23/3/06 - meanwhile 4.0 V8 discos registered before March 2001 will pay £195 this year, registered between March 2001 and 23/3/06 will pay £220 - umm all seems very fair !!

Looking at some of the cars in band G I think there will be a few upset people - because they are not all 4 by 4s.

Why not simply scrap VED and put the tax on fuel - use more pay more, easy to collect - prevents those 2 million unregistered motorists from not paying, saves all the admin costs, your time to tax it each year, cost of all those number plate recognition cameras and police trying to catch dodgers........
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The problem is that the upper limit has been set too low. It's hardly realistic to classify a vehicle that can return nearly 40mpg with one that can barely do 15...

If you scrapped VED then you would still need to license the vehicles, so there's no admin saving.
I have just taxed a 9-5 Aero (Manual) this month and it cost £190. This car was first registered in 2003 (MY04) so I believe that it is Band F.

I understood that Band F cars were going to have their VED rise by £10 - but I can not seem to find any detail on these changes, anywhere?
Where can we find a list of our Saab's CO2 emissions?

Any one got a handy link?

Cheers

Link

Link only applies to 2006/07 cars.
I have just taxed a 9-5 Aero (Manual) this month and it cost £190. This car was first registered in 2003 (MY04) so I believe that it is Band F.

I understood that Band F cars were going to have their VED rise by £10 - but I can not seem to find any detail on these changes, anywhere?[/b]
I checked the direct.gov.uk site and mine will be £205 - guess it's because it's an auto.
I am considering a LPG conversion for a 9000 Anniversary 1997 done 22000 only.On gas CO would be down but no allowance in VED I assume.Has anybody had experiences positive or otherwise to guide me on LPG?I have also put an enquiry and my findings so far in the 9000 section.I live in Glasgow but find prices quoted are £200-700 less in Cumbria and Lancs.Any recommendations for firms in those counties?
John
I am considering a LPG conversion for a 9000 Anniversary 1997 done 22000 only.On gas CO would be down but no allowance in VED I assume.Has anybody had experiences positive or otherwise to guide me on LPG?I have also put an enquiry and my findings so far in the 9000 section.I live in Glasgow but find prices quoted are £200-700 less in Cumbria and Lancs.Any recommendations for firms in those counties?
John[/b]

Might be worth you starting a new topic. I think that there is a very slight reduction for pre 2001 vehicles running on LPG, but I would think long and hard before spending a lot of money on a conversion for a car which is more than ten years old. I am selling a V6 for which the previous owner paid £2K for conversion, which was about half the value of the car. The best conversion is with the sequential injection and you should not have any problems.
Have a look at the similar thread "Budget Joy or not". You will see that the situation post 2009 will be very different as the pre/post 2006 differentiation will cease and all post 2001 cars will be lumped together - the biggest losers in later years will be current band F cars. By the time it all comes in Alistair Darling will be given a good job like special Envoy to Basra and the new Chancellor can say "don't blame me, guv".

If you remove the emotion of it all though, and extra £200 on the tax for a typical SAAB is far less than the depreciation hit we will all suffer if we try to do anything about it like trading out to a Diesel.

The budget also removed the Biofuel tax concession (so it is unlikely to inspire the retailers to extend the biofuel supply network as it now makes biofuel uneconomic) and (potential LPG converters note) reduce the tax advantage given to LPG. As the main economic benefit of LPG is lower tax, and this is not the first tax hike on LPG, it may not be such a good long term strategy - you must see what the payback period is in comparison to the potential life of the car. Have a look on the treasury website and read the full budget statement.

RANT:

Back in the 1920's, the british car market was held back by arcane tax rules based on "RAC HP" - a calculation based on piston area. That led to the low revving long stroke engines that plagued us for decades and probably was one reason we dropped behind Europe and the Far East in engine design. Our new rules will lead to manufacturers focussing on CO2 output on particular tests rather than real world and may well hold the industry back. It looks like we will follow France - where most private purchase cars are Diesel - and have a quite seperate car market from USA and Far East. If you just taxed fuel (which is a tax on the kind of car you have and the way/amount it is driven - all is fair and you don't put up artificial barriers to good design. What we have now just encourages manufacturers to design around tests rather than around the real world.

RANT ENDS

The budget might have killed the SAAB Biofuel initiative, and the LPT turbo range, but the 1.9 TTID design might be a saviour for the brand.
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