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Hi,

I am a newbie so apologies for anything and everything on this post that may sound amateuristic or already discussed.... But HELLLPP.

I bought a Saab 9-3 2.2TiD (03 plate) and getting Engine Managment Light only on Motorway journeys. Normal roads perfectly fine (although I notice some smoke from exhaust when I accelerate hard).

My questions are

1. I have been told the EGR valve costs £182 from Dealers - is that fair?
2. Should I get this fitted from Manufacturers or any recommended dealers (I am guessing i might get the added perks of warranty on work carried-out)
3. Is the EGR valve known to cause extra emmissions from the exhaust when accellerated hard?
4. Does anyone recommend any decent Saab Independant Mechanics in the West Yorkshire region?
5. Does EGR fault affect MPGs (as I am getting 28mpg on local roads)
6. Heard the same fault code displays if there is a split in Intercooler pipe - how do I make sure I am not getting a part replaced that doesn't need replacing?
7. Why doesn't my AA Warranty cover EGR faults AND would the Warranty cover faults with my Intercooler pipe? (3 Star AA cover)

Sorry for the great list BUT who else can I trust other than the real Saab experts that are not out to make a quick-buck out of me.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.
 

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When the EGR valve went on my 2005 1.9TiD, the symptoms i got were that at low revs (pulling away etc) it had virtually no power at all, as if it was firing on 2 cylinders. As the revs built it would 'sometimes' pick up and work fairly well.
I cant remember if the engine management indicator came on or not.
I am not convinced that yours is the EGR valve. I may be wrong though.
 

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I would be inclined to suspect MAF/MAP sensors need cleaning, also found with all diesels previously owned supermarket 'cheap' diesel invariably caused smoke on hard acceleration.
If you think the price that Saab want for an EGR valve is excessive then the quote, that I've just had, for a Saab supplied replacement VP44 injection pump at over £2000 makes that look positively bargain basement! :wink:
 

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See other posts about smoke and low mpg on this engine. EGR fault can be a red herring as the car thinks its not working. Try removing the EGR and checking the plunger works correctly before spending money on a replacement.

Probably your intercooler has gone like everybody else!

www.adrad.co.uk do a good price replacement.

Cheers,

Deejay
 

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The OP's symptoms are similar to mine.

Mine was a split Intercooler. I did have engine management light on as well.

The Fault codes did not point to Intercooler though which was helpful!!


£2K for a VP44 pump EEK!!!!

I have had a performance chip for the 2.2Tid in my cupboard for 6 months. Been too scared to fit it before but was thinking of fitting it now.
I suppose it would mean more strain on the pump, intercooler etc so more chance of failures??
 

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The OP's symptoms are similar to mine.

Mine was a split Intercooler. I did have engine management light on as well.

The Fault codes did not point to Intercooler though which was helpful!!
£2K for a VP44 pump EEK!!!!

I have had a performance chip for the 2.2Tid in my cupboard for 6 months. Been too scared to fit it before but was thinking of fitting it now.
I suppose it would mean more strain on the pump, intercooler etc so more chance of failures??[/b]
I've had a Van Aaken Smartbox on the car for the last 18 months, probably 20K miles though I cant see why that should cause pump failure.
 

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I've just been concerned that the increased power under my right foot may cause a greater strain on engine components (Clutch, Turbo, Intercooler, fuel delivery system etc).

I wouldn't be driving it like a nutcase, but I would dearly like to have some acceleration below 1500rpm! after 1800rpm I am quite happy with the power of it.

I will get it fitted soon but I am looking for some reassurance :)
 

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I have a MY04 2.2 TiD, and I have the same problems.

On the motorway the Engine Management light comes on and gives reduced power, although no warning on the SID. But again local roads no warning lights but smoke under acceleration.

I have visited my local independent but at the time no warning light was on. He suggested the mass air meter/air mass filter was defective.

I have listened to the engine and there are no hissing sounds concerned with air leaks.

Should I just buy a new maf and see if this cures the problem.
 

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Unfort - I've had both problems that of the engine light and the syptoms described on my 2.2 2001 93 and first time it was the dreaded MAF/MAP second time it was just some 20 quid sensor (can't remember now what i was - few years back)

I now have a 1.9 150 Vector Sport (44k miles) and I've not seen it for a week as it went it for injectors (rough pulling away and ticking over) during the week leading up to the work the EGR went as described flat as a can of pee pee but sometimes picked up... but never when you need it!

Got to admit fellow Saabies I can see the dark side and I'm walking towards it!!!!! I may be an Ex-Saabie soon :-( I love the car but jesus this one is really pushing me (Had the alternator go few weeks back in middle of wales)

Good luck with yours matey (my local indie actaully changed the MAF/MAP just to see if it would fix it as a loan top blokes)
 

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About a week ago I ended a journey with everything apparantly OK (car running normally, no warning lights, no SID messages). I stopped the engine and the engine management light came on and stayed on even after I had taken out the key. The warning light went out about 10 seconds later. Re-started the car with no problems - the SID went through its "Checking... Check OK" routine, all the other warning lights (charging, oil, EPS) went out as normal but the Engine Management light stayed on. The light only went out about 10 seconds again after stopping the engine.

I rang SAAB Assistance (the car is still under a warranty), described the symptoms and they suggested I drive the car to see if performance was reduced in any way. I did that, spoke to them again and as there were no other symptoms at all they advised that I would be able to continue to drive the car until it could be checked at the dealers.

The car (1.9TiD, 04) was with them today and the problem has been identified as the EGR valve... and the dealer is awaiting stock. My warranty provides a replacement car for 7 days, I just hope that the dealer gets the parts in before the middle of next week!
 

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Frankb, sorry to tell you this but apparently it will be 8 weeks before the new design EGR valves are available.

I had been waiting over a month, then last week my 93 went in for a seized inlet manifold and had a modified EGR valve fitted. Within 1 mile it was obvious it wasn't working and it was replaced with another modified valve. This is still not right, I get what can be described as massive turbo lag, but I'm going to have to wait for the new design valves. The dealer told me he had an announcement of 8 weeks.
 

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Waiting for a mod'ed egr for my my07 120 TiD. Poor fuel consumption [expletive deleted] runnig.

How come other manf suchas BMW or merc ar'nt getting the problem

serves us right for burning oil instead of petrol!!!
 

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First post on this forum, hi to you all.

My wife's 05 1.9TiD suffered a failed EGR valve 2-weeks ago but there was no light showing, just a massive loss of power below 3K RPM. It went into the dealer under Saab Assistance and she got a hire car for 2-days when they said they had done a temporary repair (no new EGR valves available) and this should be ok for the time being. After 3-days it went again but this time it wouldn't run at all so it went back and they are keeping the car until the new valves are available (she has been given a Vectra until her car is fixed).
It was already due to go in to have a new gearbox fitted at some point (the original one has never felt smooth in operation so they agreed to replace it) and this has now been done but when they rang to keep us updated on progress they said that the inlet manifold "had some play in it" so they have replaced that with a new one as well. I am not sure what they meant but is this a comon problem or could they have damaged it in some way when playing with the valve?
 

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murtaghm - My car is now one of about fifteen sitting at the dealers waiting for EGR valves... the best timing that they could give was "at least two weeks wait".

slant4 asked why BMW and Mercedes didn't seem to be affected. Apparently our local Enterprise Car Rental depot has got a couple of cars off the road awiting these valves. I don't think they run any SAABs so some other manufacturers are being affected.
 

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... and to add insult to injury...

I have been told by SAAB Assistance that if I had been lucky enough to have a total breakdown that was beyond roadside repair, they would have recovered the car to a dealer AND provide a hire car. But because my car was still driveable and I took it in to the dealers under its own power then I am not eligible for a hire car (although in fairness to Stratstone they did arrange a coutersy car over the Easter weekend). I'm now faced with a car hire charge for at least the next two weeks.
 

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FrankB, I would get ready for a long wait, for a month I was told the same "no real ETA, phone back next week".
Then told catagorically it would be 8 weeks by the dealer after he attended some seminar.
I do hope it's sooner as I'm driving a dog at the moment aswell.
 

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FrankB

GRRRRR I am annoyed on your behalf (for what it is worth)!(and feel the need to post (No 2 - I aint prolific))

I think the SAAB assist part of the warranty is to simply get you home and your car to the garage and not to provide a substitute whilst your car is undergoing repairs. The terms of your warranty state that 'The supplying dealer will undertake to return the Saab approved Used car owner back into the (financial?) position he/she was in immediately prior to the event giving rise to the claim.' I am confused by much of the wording (funny old thing!). It seems the warranty is a legal undertaking to pay for the cost of repairing the car, not an undertaking to actually repair the car (not cottoned on to that before or am I reading too much into it (and need to get out more)). There is nothing in the warranty that states, for instance, how quickly the car should be returned to you in a repaired state.

We all know Saab UK(GM) is the one with the real ability to sort this. Is it unfair or am I detecting a ducking of responsibility? He is the one who is seemingly supplying cars with unreliable EGRs and who is practicing Just Out of Time logistics :thumbsup: In the event of my EGR going U/S (I only got it last week so it had better not) and being presented with an 8 week leadtime I would be writing to Saab GB Ltd, Customer Interaction Centre, Griffin House, Osborne Rd, Luton, Beds, LU1 3YT 0845 300 9593 and asking for an accurate delivery date and what they suggest I do for transport in the meantime. I believe they need to give either you or your dealer a proper answer (and preferably pay for a hire car if the answer is not satisfactory!).
Having no shame I would be suggesting to them that if this EGR is still being delivered in new cars, Saab do a stock take on the new car production line and get robbing (...all pigs fed and read to fly...) :grin: (suspect they may tell me to 'do one'!).

Apologies for going all 'watchdog'. Seems to me the dealers are having to front up to the customer regarding the inadequacies of another party, and the car owner paying for it (in the form of inconvenience and hire cars). You would like to think Saab are trying but yours and others situation are kind of giving doubts.

If you get nowhere of course the next step would be to read the CEO/President/MD of Saab UK his horoscope.... I could not do 8 weeks without my Saab (I would have to use a ..cant bring myself to say it.....a...a...Bus (AAARRRGH)) and I would feel the need to tell this dude how I felt about that......

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hi everyone looking in egr issue come on everyone correct me if wrong the engines is basically a vauxhall vectra so arent the egr valves the same as saab .? the other thing ive no them to be taken of vauxhalls and blanked of .?
 

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The engine is essentially the same as on the Vectra but they are having exactly the same problems!
If you take a look at any of the Vauxhall or Vectra forums you will see threads very similar to the Saab forums with regards to EGR issues.
 
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