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I will finally be returning to the UK in a few weeks - the 9000 Carlson was Saabs flagship when I left !


Couldn't believe my luck finding this website, but having trawled through tons of threads, still have a few questions...

Am looking to get a late 9000 model (probably CSE 2.0 LPT), but was wondering what advice the gurus here could pass on - and especially what to look out for.

Q)Would I be better off with a 2.3T, or am I likely to be heavily clobbered on insurance for the extra bhp for this or an Aero?

Q)Have been driving autos for the last few years, but wondered how reliable the auto boxes are on high mileage 9000's?

Q)Is TCS to be avoided like the plague on certain models, and if so which ones?

Q)Am returning to Kingston area - any recommendation on dealers/specialists in the Surrey/South London area?

Q)Has anyone bought through Cromwell Saab?

Many thanks to all for the useful info I have already found here, and for any additional help you can give.
Andy
 

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Welcome to the board Andy_M

Any mods about? Would have thought Andy'll get a better response on the 9000 board

I think you would be better off with the 2.3 or even an Aero. Have you got any quotes for them? I had a 2.0 LPT CS and found the light pressure turbo teased me for what I could have got with a full pressure 2.3! Test drive a 2.0 and 2.3 to see what you think.

Not sure about high mileage Auto's, though would have thought as long as they've been cared for, you should be okay.

TCS is to be avoided on early 90's stuff like the 2.3 Carly's, though believe they may have sorted it on later cars.

Not sure on your last 2 questions, though there are plenty of peeps on the board from those areas whole be able to help.
 

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Hi! and welcome to the board.

I haven't bought a car in the area, but I work in West London. Don't know Cromwell either , but not too far away in Slough is Saaben . I've heard that they quite well respected and only deal in Saab. There's also Ealing Saab who've been around a while but I know nothing about them other than the fact that I drive past their place frequently and they always have plenty of cars for sale.

The 9000 is getting long in the tooth now and I think you should also consider the 9-5 as I did. The 9-5 is beginning to be quite cheap with some higher mileage versions around £3500.

[edit] The 9-5 has a different and reputedly more reliable auto box. Well, mine's still OK coming up to 60000 miles.
 

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Q)Would I be better off with a 2.3T, or am I likely to be heavily clobbered on insurance for the extra bhp for this or an Aero?[/b]
There is little in it.. and if you are bitten by the modifying bug a modified 2.3T will cost more on insurance than a standard aero.

Q)Have been driving autos for the last few years, but wondered how reliable the auto boxes  are on high mileage 9000's?[/b]
To be honest, as Kev says, a well looked after box on a car thats been left as standard will be good upto about 130,000 miles... the ZF box in the 9000 is a particular weakpoint (that said mine has done 155,000 miles with good maintanance and is handling the 265 horses pretty well - so far ) Also note that you can get the Aero with an auto box.. but it's not quite the same as the good old manual.. it's down on power and torque, and apart from the seats, suspension and looks is an Aero in name only.

Q)Is TCS to be avoided like the plague on certain models, and if so which ones?  [/b]
TCS is a problem on early cars (i.e 1992 cars) because it's not switchable and isn't at all subtile, so it reigns in driving enjoyment pretty fast. The TCS system has it's own control box, but is integrated into the Electronic Throttle System (another failure point on many 9000 and 9-5s), the kick down system (another electronic box ) and receives signals from the ABS sensors (another electronic box ).. it's a pain to work on, it's a pain to fault find on and it's the cause of many frustrations.

Q)Am returning to Kingston area - any recommendation on dealers/specialists in the Surrey/South London area?  [/b]
The area has tonnes of specialists and members on this board better qualified than me to recommend places.. however I've had experience in the essex area of two good places :

Abbott Racing in Manningtree.
Howes Engineering (Leon where is the address for that?)
 

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Q)Am returning to Kingston area - any recommendation on dealers/specialists in the Surrey/South London area?[/b]
I always used Carlssons in Leatherhead when I lived Kington way (still do use them sometimes). I've recommended them a number of times: good, honest blokes who know what they're doing.
 

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Andy,
Are you looking for Kingston local specialists for buying or servicing..??
Ealing Saab tend to specialise in GM900 and 9-3's and very rarely have any 9000's for sale.
Ben at Saaben occasionally gets the odd 9000 in but he'll have mostly 9-3 and 9-5.
Cromwell do seem to get 9000's in but I've no experience of them.
JustSaab in Camberley usually have some 9000's in and are OK to deal with,my late Dad bought his CSE V6 from them.
http://www.justsaab.co.uk

For servicing requirements, of the independents, I've only dealt with BPV in Slough on a few occasions, and they seem to offer a good service.

As for what to buy, I'd try for as late as possible, (P,R or even S reg.) CSE 2.3LPT or FPT.
 

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Go for at least a 2.3 turbo, which seems better suited than the 2.0 turbo to hauling the 9000's heavy body along at a good pace. In terms of insurance, I guess it all depends on the individual (I had plenty of NCB, lived in a safe area etc etc), however I was surprised to find that there's little in it between a 2.0 LPT or 2.3t LPT (3P,F&T). For the little extra, it seemed sensible for me to go for the 2.3 LPT.

Try www.screentrade.co.uk. You can play around with comparisons and get rough quotes within a couple of minutes.
 

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Welcome to Saabscene, Andy.

As the owner of a CSE 2.0LPT manual, a CSE 2.0LPT auto and a modified Aero (305hp/330lbft), I can tell you that the Aero is, of course, great fun to drive. However, don't let anyone tell you that the 2.0LPT (at least in manual form) is slow or boring to drive. I often take my CSE manual out for fun drives in preference to the Aero. Having taken both of them on the track, I think I preferred the CSE as it was a bit more "chuckable".

I bought the CSE auto for my Dad to drive, but I maintain it and drive it occasionally. I'm no fan of autos, and it is definitely not as quick as my manual CSE. However, I chose it because, at 100K miles, its auto box was likely to have had a fairly easy life compared to that of a full-pressure 2.3T. It certainly runs very nicely. The autos are much smoother than I can ever get a manual to be. Insurance is a lot lower too. The 2.0LPTs are insured as group 13, while the Aero (and 2.3T?) is rated as group 17.

I have no experience of auto gearboxes on the more powerful variants, but remember that an auto Aero has the same 200hp engine as other 2.3T autos and reduced torque compared to manual variants. Only the manual Aero (and the manual variants of some of the latest CSE or Anniversary editions?) had hte 225hp engine with the larger turbo that makes a great base for tuning. Also, tuning the 9000 turbo generally involves large increases in torque, and this can be rather hard on the auto gearbox.
 

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Many thanks for the welcomes, and my hats off to you all on this forum - what a great speedy response with loads of useful info. Much appreciated !!!

Originally posted by Passat Man:
[qb]I think you would be better off with the 2.3 or even an Aero. Have you got any quotes for them? I had a 2.0 LPT CS and found the light pressure turbo teased me for what I could have got with a full pressure 2.3! Test drive a 2.0 and 2.3 to see what you think. [/qb][/b]
Thanks - having trawled a bit further back through the threads here, that does sounds like the way to go


Originally posted by sgould:
[qb]...The 9000 is getting long in the tooth now and I think you should also consider the 9-5 as I did. The 9-5 is beginning to be quite cheap with some higher mileage versions around £3500.[/qb][/b]
Thanks for the dealer info, and I will definitely have a look at high mileage 9-5's. The main reason for going for a 9000CSE, with us returning to the UK, was the flexibility of its load handling ability. Do you find the lack of a hatchback on your 9-5 a hindrance to lugging gear about?


Originally posted by MarkA:
[qb]...To be honest, as Kev says, a well looked after box on a car thats been left as standard will be good upto about 130,000 miles... the ZF box in the 9000 is a particular weakpoint (that said mine has done 155,000 miles with good maintanance and is handling the 265 horses pretty well - so far        ) Also note that you can get the Aero with an auto box.. but it's not quite the same as the good old manual.. it's down on power and torque, and apart from the seats, suspension and looks is an Aero in name only.[/qb][/b]
Thanks for all the info Mark. I must be getting old, but at this stage I am definitely more after a comfortable motorway cruiser (now I have a family) rather than a tuned beast.

Having said that I still have my old 911 to eventually look forward to, which was safely put away in storage when I left the UK. But having been driving under a companies insurance scheme, it looks like my main problem will be building my NCB back up again...


Originally posted by SteveN:
[qb]I always used Carlssons in Leatherhead when I lived Kington way (still do use them sometimes). I've recommended them a number of times: good, honest blokes who know what they're doing. [/qb][/b]
Thanks Steve - I will definitely check them out


Originally posted by aeropilot:
[qb]Are you looking for Kingston local specialists for buying or servicing..??
JustSaab in Camberley usually have some 9000's in and are OK to deal with,my late Dad bought his CSE V6 from them.
 http://www.justsaab.co.uk  

As for what to buy, I'd try for as late as possible, (P,R or even S reg.) CSE 2.3LPT or FPT. [/qb][/b]
Thanks Aeropilot.
- I am looking for a local specialist for both buying and servicing
- I will check out JustSaab, as Camberley is not too many miles away
- I think that your recommendation of a CSE 2.3LPT/FPT is going to be my best best. But I must admit to envying you your Aero


Originally posted by Saab-jager:
[qb]Go for at least a 2.3 turbo, which seems better suited than the 2.0 turbo to hauling the 9000's heavy body along at a good pace. In terms of insurance, I guess it all depends on the individual (I had plenty of NCB, lived in a safe area etc etc), however I was surprised to find that there's little in it between a 2.0 LPT or 2.3t LPT (3P,F&T). For the little extra, it seemed sensible for me to go for the 2.3 LPT.
Try www.screentrade.co.uk. .... [/qb][/b]
Thanks for the very useful insurance link Saab-jager, which does confirm that there is not likely to be much difference in insurance between a 2.3LPT and 2.0LPT. So it looks like you are driving my ideal car !


Originally posted by BillJ:
[qb]As the owner of a CSE 2.0LPT manual, a CSE 2.0LPT auto and a modified Aero (305hp/330lbft), I can tell you that the Aero is, of course, great fun to drive. However, don't let anyone tell you that the 2.0LPT (at least in manual form) is slow or boring to drive. I often take my CSE manual out for fun drives in preference to the Aero. Having taken both of them on the track, I think I preferred the CSE as it was a bit more "chuckable".

I bought the CSE auto for my Dad to drive, but I maintain it and drive it occasionally. I'm no fan of autos, and it is definitely not as quick as my manual CSE. However, I chose it because, at 100K miles, its auto box was likely to have had a fairly easy life compared to that of a full-pressure 2.3T. It certainly runs very nicely. The autos are much smoother than I can ever get a manual to be. Insurance is a lot lower too. The 2.0LPTs are insured as group 13, while the Aero (and 2.3T?) is rated as group 17.

I have no experience of auto gearboxes on the more powerful variants, but remember that an auto Aero has the same 200hp engine as other 2.3T autos and reduced torque compared to manual variants. Only the manual Aero (and the manual variants of some of the latest CSE or Anniversary editions?) had hte 225hp engine with the larger turbo that makes a great base for tuning. Also, tuning the 9000 turbo generally involves large increases in torque, and this can be rather hard on the auto gearbox. [/qb][/b]
Thanks for the feedback Bill. Three matching 9000's, and that picture of your stunning silver Aero in action looks awesome - I am drooling on my keyboard as I type

Well the helpful folks here have helped persuade me to focus on a CSE 2.3LPT (or possibly a high mileage 9-5).

Now I just have to get back over there to the UK, and start doing the rounds to track down a well loved example. I can't wait

By the way, where did you source your cars - from dealers, specialists or privately? I was thinking of going down the specialist route, as they seem to offer some basic warranties - and hopefully are looking to gain me as a long term customer, rather than just flogging me a set of wheels. Do you think that this approach is realistic in the current market, or can I just purchase similar warranties myself ? The fact that I am asking this sort of question shows that I have obviously been away too long !
 

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I've had my 9-5 nearly 18 months now and not found the need for a hatchback. On the one hand my wife has a Ford Galaxy , but on the other hand the rear seats fold in my car and I've been able to move offices without a problem. On the third hand (?) I may look for a 9-5 estate if she sells her Ford and buys a sports car/ convertible. Now the kids have left university we don't really need the Galaxy.
 

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Best of luck coming back to the UK! I got my '96 2.3 CSE FPT from Just Saab about a month ago...

If my house were bigger I'd ask it to move in with me! I love it!

Carl at JS was great, very helpful. Also recommend you get the guys at Carlssons (mentioned above) to inspect any car before you buy it if it's local. They picked up a few minor probs with my car which were then fixed prior to my purchase. Worth doing...
 
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