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I've a late '98 MY 9-5 SE 2.3 LPT Auto, with 45k on the clock, all the toys on the options list when I bought it, and a few more added since.

Been a pretty faultless car, never not started or broken down. Most "serious" problem was having to replace the infamous SID.

I've been very tempted to buy a new Aero, but really put off by the reports on this site re recent model year 9-5's. Plus Lexus are finally starting to make good looking as well as reliable cars. (The new GS, the new top end 3.5 litre IS at the end of the year, and the RX 400 Hybrid are all seriously interesting).

However, I am curious about hanging on for my next new purchase for the 2007 9-5, despite major misgivings about GM and it likely just being a badge engineered Vauxhall.

So question is, given the things likely to start going wrong with a 7 year old 9-5 (albeit low mileage, and rarely thrashed), do I:-

a) Just keep it ticking along and well maintained, and with any luck it won't blow it's turbo, have a DI cassette failure or throw a 4-figure mechanical fault in the next 2 years / 15k miles.

B) Get out while the going has been good and buy a 1 yr old 9-5 Aero, (or just go for the Lex).

c) Give in to a long term desire to trick the old boy up a bit at Hirsch, with Turbo, Intercooler, dump valve, intake pipe, Trionic / ECM, chassis, brake an wheel upgrades?

Would I be completely wasting £5-£10k?

Are many of these even possible on a non-aero autobox 2.3 LPT?

Is there much in it between Abbot and Hirsch?

What will it do to reliability, fuel consumption (95% journeys cross city), and insurance?

Appreciate your views.

Cheers

S-T
 

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I think you should keep your car, and have a few mods done Think of the depreciation on Saabs, so the money you would be loosing, you are putting into your existing car, its a far better option IMO
 

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Taking the worst case. You upgrade the car and, in addition, that all the things you mentioned go wrong. It will still be far cheaper than buying a 1 year old Aero.

Don't forget the other Saab specialists out there like Maptun and Nordic.
 

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Originally posted by Sven-Torque:
[qb]I've been very tempted to buy a new Aero, but really put off by the reports on this site re recent model year 9-5's. Plus Lexus are finally starting to make good looking as well as reliable cars. (The new GS, the new top end 3.5 litre IS at the end of the year, and the RX 400 Hybrid are all seriously interesting).[/qb][/b]
Lexus...can't argue that they are very good. Great build, great dealers etc.

But, it's still a souless Jap car....fine if you're OK with that.
Will you miss the turbo torque going back to a N/A car.....?

By all means go and have a look at a newer 9-5 Aero, can't hurt can it.

Originally posted by Sven-Torque:
[qb]However, I am curious about hanging on for my next new purchase for the 2007 9-5, despite major misgivings about GM and it likely just being a badge engineered Vauxhall.[/qb][/b]
I think you'll have to wait a bit longer than 2007, as the rumours are the current 9-5 will continue to be built at Trollhattan until 2009, before the likely replacement 9-5 gets built in Germany by Opel.

Originally posted by Sven-Torque:
[qb]c) Give in to a long term desire to trick the old boy up a bit at Hirsch, with Turbo, Intercooler, dump valve, intake pipe, Trionic / ECM, chassis, brake an wheel upgrades?

Would I be completely wasting £5-£10k?

Are many of these even possible on a non-aero autobox 2.3 LPT?

Is there much in it between Abbot and Hirsch?[/qb][/b]
Well, as much as I am a fan of Hirsch, for a car that's 7 years old and out of warrenty, I would seek my upgrade from one of the specialist rather than Hirsch.
I think Abbott are great for chassis stuff, but I'm not totally convinced about their ECU's.
My personal choice would be either Maptun or Nordic.

All of those type of mods are OK with an autobox non-Aero, and Nordic and Maptun will torque limit the software to take into account the autobox.

E.g.

Nordic Stage 3 for the auto here:-
Nordic Stage3

Maptun Stage 3 here:-
Maptun Stage3

Originally posted by Sven-Torque:
[qb]What will it do to reliability, fuel consumption (95% journeys cross city), and insurance?[/qb][/b]
By all accounts fuel cons. should improve after mods.
 

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Would I be completely wasting £5-£10k?

Don't mean to sound to harsh but spending that kind of money on your car does'nt in my opinion make a huge amount of sense.

You'll probably spend £5K just bringing it up to Aero spec & you won't add much to the value of your car either.

Modifing cars is great fun, but once you start It never ends, there's always something else you want to do to your car! I speak from experience, having spent & still spending a lot on modifiying my 9K Aero.

Hate to say it but I think the Lex GS makes more sense as a private buy, at least it'll still be worth something in a few years time.
 

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Originally posted by Gary N:
[qb]You'll probably spend £5K just bringing it up to Aero spec & you won't add much to the value of your car either.
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About have of that sum to get to Aero-ish spec., depending on choice of 17" wheels/tyres combo.
 

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IIRC the type of auto box changed for the 2000 model (i.e. in late 1999), and the older type isn't as strong if you plan to tune it.

I agree with the majority, £5k is a lot of money. If it was me, I'd sell it, add the £5k on to what you get for it, and get an Aero.

Having said that, you could get spend far less for more cost-effective gain - for example, put some Eibach suspension or genuine Saab upgrade (£300 on ebay at the mo) on & a Maptun stage 1 for less than £1500. Second hand 17" alloys for £400?
 

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Originally posted by MikeLoadsaSaabs:
[qb]IIRC the type of auto box changed for the 2000 model (i.e. in late 1999), and the older type isn't as strong if you plan to tune it.
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So, are there 3 different tyres of autobox for the 9-5 then, 2 x 4 speeds and the 5 speed...??

I always thought it was just the 2.

The 4 speed AW from 98-01 and the 5 speed from 02 onwards...
 

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Selling your car and adding £5000 would probably get a very high mileage 3-4 year old Aero.

Sounds to me like you've got a good car which owes you little.

Have fun and spend a bit on it! I don't think you'll need to spend as much as you think to get in sight of the Aero's performance.

In terms of insurance, my stage 3 9-3 costs the same to insure as a 9-5 Aero.
 

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Yes but - the Aero you buy will depreciate at say £1k per year after purchase.
The £5k on mods on the current car is gone as soon as you leave the driveway...No matter how much you try and convince a buyer that it's 'better than the Aero'. On top of that the existing car will also continue to depreciate at a similar rate to the Aero.
Speaks one who has spent a lot on 9k Aero mods
I can't think of an example where it is financially sensible to modify a car to a spec that was already produced.
 

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I have a friend who has a recently fitted Maptun stage 1 on his auto Aero and he is over the moon with it.

I'd be inclined to get something like a Speedparts/Maptun Stage 1 for around 500 quid, which will give you +65bhp and + 100nm torque for next to no outlay and leave it at that. That upgrade will give you a lot more
and a whole bundle of


Then start saving for your pennies for that 2007 9-5.
 

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Gosh, a real diverse range of opinions! - thanks guys, all food for thought.

I am leaning toward keeping a tweaking. At least I know it's history inside out from new. I tend to like buying cars new and hanging on to them for a while to get my money's worth. My concern with a 3-4 yr old Aero is it will have been spanked! AND be out of warranty.


And, having just read a review of the new GS's rather aesthmatic mid range performance, it does make me think I'll miss that luscious low rpm boot of a turbo.


Hmmm. I'll ponder a bit more. But 2009 now for the new 9-5!!!! - How depressing. I defo ain't waiting that long and will inevitably go Lex I think, but perhaps for the gutsy RX 400 Hybrid next year once I've seen how it performs for a year with the first batch of early adopters. (Which is exactly what I did with the 9-5).

Any way, thanks very much for all your advice.

Cheers

Sven-T
 
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