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Hi,

The front left speaker on my saab 9000 appears to be a little broken. The small tweeter (?) in the middle of the left unit appears slightly loose and at higher volumes vibrates annoyingly.

The question is - how easier/expensive/convienient is this to fix? I can live with it, so if it is complicated/expensive to fix then I probably will just leave it. But if it is straightforward then I would like to do what I can.

It seems to me like I could get away with removing the little tweeter bit entirely and not lose out much on sound - alternatively, replace the whole unit - which looks as if you have to take the whole windscreen out to do - but previous posts in the forum indicate it has been done.

Any advice much appreciated.

Thanks

Simon
 

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Simon,

The speakers come out easily.

A couple of small torx's to remove the grill,

A foam rubber baffle/padd just lifts out

3 of 4 scres ro lift the main 100mm driver out (I assume that yours is a dual driver?), mine has small tweeters separate lower and further to the rear of the dash.

And a coule of wires.

Should only take 10 minutes to remove, but the screws/bolts nearest the bottom front of the windscreen can be a bit tricky to get to.

The whole dash top can be fromoved in 5 minutes when needed

Andrew
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Originally posted by Scaero (ecopower stg0):
[QB]Simon,

The speakers come out easily.

A couple of small torx's to remove the grill,

A foam rubber baffle/padd just lifts out

3 of 4 scres ro lift the main 100mm driver out (I assume that yours is a dual driver?), mine has small tweeters separate lower and further to the rear of the dash.

And a coule of wires.

Should only take 10 minutes to remove, but the screws/bolts nearest the bottom front of the windscreen can be a bit tricky to get to.

The whole dash top can be fromoved in 5 minutes when needed      [/b]
Ok - Well the grill I had already taken off, and that was straightforward enough. I'm not sure what you mean by foam/baffle pad but you've said that just lifts out so that is cool. I have the tweeter ontop of the bigger driver, so probably the dual driver that you were talking about. Any advice on what tool to use to get those nuts undone - looks pretty difficult to me.

I need to source a replacement for the speakers - should I get them from the saab dealership? Or are there other places that will supply cheap but decent quality replacements suitable for this. The only speakers are in the front - so there is no balanceing thing to worry about.

How do the wires connect? I don't have to do any soldering do I?

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There are connectors underneath. Almost everey brand of speakers will fitt. Audio specialist will have sources for which speakers will fitt your car. In mine i use 100 Watt's pioneers in the front and they seem to do the job pretty good.
 

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There have been numerous complaints about the speaker in Saabs and the standard Clarion Radio/CD setup.

I have removed the fine mesh from each of my speaker covers and it seems to improve the clarity of the sound on high and low tones.

Of course, I avoid dropping anything into the speaker cover as it will go directly to the cones.

Though I would pass this along for what is might me worth.
 

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I am pretty sure all 9000's had separate 10cm and tweeters in the front.

The 10cm come may have a second small cone in the middle as some designs of speakers did, but there shouldnt be a centrally mounted tweeter unless you already have aftermarket units in the car.

Best tactic is to replace with component speakers for better quality, but a 2-wat 10cm would do the job.
 

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Ok - Well all I could see was a 10cm one with a small additional cone in the middle sitting on top, and the whole thing was on a big plate thing secured by 4 nuts.

I can't see anything else in there - though I may be mistaken. I don't have the fancy saab amp and stuff, I have a blaupunkt stereo that has been in there since the car was new.

I'll have a look this evening again, to see if I can see any tweeters. How obvious would they be?

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does not sound as if you have the tweeters
you seem to have co-axials which might have been fitted later
the size is 10 cm which is dead common
go along to halfords and listen to a few as it is such a personal choice (then buy them mail order !!)
Component ones will be more expensive
but co-ax's work almost as well and they are more plentifull
I have gone through a few of these as my wife seems insensitive to distortion
It distortion that kills speakers ..not "loudness"
I eventually fitted jbl co-ax's with 150 w handling power with a secondary amp driving them
..result !!
It is always the tweeters that go
I have 4 x 10 cm bass units !!
 

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Originally posted by ylee coyote:
[QB]does not sound as if you have the tweeters
you seem to have co-axials which might have been fitted later
the size is 10 cm which is dead common
go along to halfords and listen to a few as it is such a personal choice (then buy them mail order !!)[/b]
Yeh - that sounds about right. I've seen a couple on the net - but I'll pay a trip to halfords and try out some.

You got any personal brand recommendations? We are going to need some that work with the current radio, i'll find out what it is, but it is going to be "standard" stuff. Nothing fancy.

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Erk - its not really fiddly soldering is it? I have done some electrical work in the past and am reasonable at it, but I'm not sure if I would want to undertake anything too complicated myself.

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all of the replacement speakers should come with the proper size connectors ...no soldering required

On choice ...before the jbl's I had infiniti's which were a little more expensive but very smooth..
the jbl's are quite sharp but they have the power handling
 

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I replaced my front speakers with 100w pioneers and found the quality was no better than the original saab ones so i replaced them again with rockford fosgate 80w together with bass blockers or breakers not sure what they are called, all this did make a difference to the fronts but i am not sure if its worth it to be honest the originals are good quality and tuned into the cars.....(cant think of the word).
 

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what about opinions for rears? I have some 220W Pioneers 6X9's i am gonna custom mount, but also hoping the Sony Head Unit is enough to power them as is. Later when i have more $$ i plan to take the car into a local audio shpo and have the wiring nightmare of the stereo fixed...the previous owner/original owner looks as if he installed it himself under the influence, sure it works, but not everything... it also has a Spectrum EQ. has power, but doesn't seemed to be wired into the stereo. Also the harness is wound in "electical tape" aka Duct tape...this fool was confused to the extreme and it's gonna cost $$ to figure out the set up. Anyways...i'm done rambling
 

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Originally posted by BurnsSide42:
[qb]what about opinions for rears?  I have some 220W Pioneers 6X9's i am gonna custom mount, but also hoping the Sony Head Unit is enough to power them as is.  Later when i have more $$ i plan to take the car into a local audio shpo and have the wiring nightmare of the stereo fixed...the previous owner/original owner looks as if he installed it himself under the influence, sure it works, but not everything... it also has a Spectrum EQ. has power, but doesn't seemed to be wired into the stereo.  Also the harness is wound in "electical tape" aka Duct tape...this fool was confused to the extreme and it's gonna cost $$ to figure out the set up.  Anyways...i'm done rambling    [/qb][/b]
If I remember correctly you have an 87T like mine. It sounds like the guy before you didn't bother to get the Saab harness The factory units were quick release so you could pull out the radio/tape player and the EQ unit. Because of that they have special plug connections on the back of the unit. Plus the EQ also incorporated the amp for the radio/tape. For that reason it would be next to impossible to use the EQ with any other setup without the complete wiring diagram for the unit. Even then I'm not sure it could work, and besides since the original amp only put out about 10 watts RMS I'm betting your new unit puts out more. If you have the original audio equiment manual it gives all the specs.

Regarding the speakers you're putting in, it has become very popular for companies to list the peak wattage for amps and speakers because it sounds like it has much more power. I'm guessing your Sony unit puts out about 45 to 50 peak watts which would translate roughly to 18 to 22 watts RMS or continuous output. The same goes for your speakers so your unit would be plenty to drive the speakers which can probably support about 50 or 60 watts RMS.

IMHO the main specs to look for in speakers are the frequency response or how well they reproduce low to high notes and sound pressure level (measured in db) which determines their efficiency at turning the power into sound. Higher db = more sound = louder! As for amps it's distortion level. The lower the better because as ylee said, distortion = distruction to both amp and speakers.

Sorry but I can't seem to give one word replies
 

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wow, thx..i think. I do have the 87 9KT and not sure if ya follow 110% what i have, but that's ok. The EQ and Head are both aftermaret if that changes anything... now about the interchangable harness, about where does it unplug? This way i could "start over" and instantly have a clean slate to work with. THX!
 

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Since your EQ is aftermarket forget about 80% of what I said. I was assuming the factory Clarion EQ that came with the turbos.
And yes, I know what happens when you AssUMe


The harness, at least on mine, had enough slack to be pulled into the DIN slot after sliding the unit out. Depending on who did the work before they may have x'd the harness altogether. You should be able to get a good idea when you pull the unit out. If need be I got pretty good access by just removing the two carpet pieces on either side.

As far as the EQ it just depends on: a) if it works at all, 2) if it's passive or active, and III) if it's been connected properly.

If it were me I would pull everything out and start over. That way you know what you have or don't have and what you need.

Sorry for the long-winded reply ... again
 

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heck i like long replies, means someone cares, and that someone knows about what i don't I myself am not a big electrical person, however i think i know more then the person who insalled it, enough that i'll have a guy who makes a living take care of it I will take a look tho at the harness first, cause if i can get one that isn't all chopped up from a yard, that will save time and money at either end, given mine is f-ed up. THX tho, i do appriciate it.
 
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