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I have decided to ditch the system on my 96 Aero and was researching Stainless Exhaust systems and come accross a firm called Long Life. Rang them and gave me a quote of £350.00 including fitting and i asked for a new down-pipe to match and use my existing cataltyic converter. Has anyone had any experience of this company? The price sounds very reasonable for a Hand Made 3" Stainless system with 2 boxes (although the guy said you can get away with a single box on the turbo due to the sound deadening features of a turbo). There is a lifetime warranty and the system is made and fabricated while you wait - in my previous life in VW's i had awful fitting problems on after market systems like Jetex which knocked on the rear axle all the time!

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Check out the JT exhausts. If you have a standard ECU, Speedparts do a very reasonable kits that includes the exhaust and sports cat. I believe that you can get their exhausts in stainless now. But, do you really want stainless? I didn't bother.

Is that price just for the backbox or for the middle and rear? Erm, the turbo does not deaden much of the sound from my full 3" exhaust - it roars under hard acceleration and sounds agressive on tickover.
 

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The Price is for a new downpipe, re-fit catalyst, and total system from Cat to Back. The reason I fancy stainless steel is that it never rusts and when it warms through you get a nice rumble

You also get a choice of tail pipe finishes from Oval to inward rolled, outward roll, Baked Bean Tin round, DTM (Yuck!!) and twin rounds. The price seems exceptional for a complete system to me!

PS I have been told that by matching the downpipe to the system i will reduce turbo lag - is it true or shall i leave the factory downpipe in place!
 

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Aero Nutter, I recently replaced the standard downpipe and cat with a 3" downpipe and sport cat (on a 9-3 not a 9000) and the difference has been phenomenal


I would recommend you do the downpipe, too, if you can - helps with those EGTs, too
 

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I can echo /john's comment
I have a custom 2.5 " s/s system from powerflow (cat back )which was around the £ 300 mark...very quiet normally... it really growls and howls when you are pushing it, although you have to be behind the car to hear it ..
(I never have !!)
but the jt downpipe and sports moggie made a big difference to spool up and added a bit of rumble too and it was pretty easy to fit (carefull with the lambda sensor !!)
the full 3" system might make a difference but I will have to wait till this one falls off (20 yrs !!)
 

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I'm a firm believer in 'you get what you pay for', and IMHO I can't see how they can do what they are saying for that price...I'd be very cautious. Did they put the car on the ramp and inspect the downpipe/cat and system before giving you a quote or was this an over the phone quote...?
Don't forget the cat on a 96 Aero is part of the down pipe and is not seperate, so how do they propose to accommodate this, hack it off and try put in line with the new bigger bore system..??
Er...disimilar metal corrosion issues here if not properly seperated etc...

I still think the best value is the JT downpipe + sport cat + system.....it's a known product that does what it says on the tin, and there are plenty of satisfied users to testifiy...
 

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Oh, yes, I am very satisfied with the JT setup. I do believe that they last a long time for a mild steel unit, too. Speedparts Stage 3 for £800 (or thereabouts) must be one of the performance bargains at £800. My
Aero dyno'd at 290 BHP at Power Engineering & it is very turbo lag free.
 

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If you go ahead with your custom S/S plan do yourself a favor and add a new 3-inch high flow cat. Summitt Racing do Catco high flows for less than 30 quid, to which you need to add shipping from USA and VAT but still a bargin and it will give you all the benefits of a larger downpipe.
 

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I have the Full JT 3" (about 3 weeks now) and have made up a cat bypass for track days.

I have to say, it's
pick up at low revs is instant, boost comes on earlier, boost holds well at high revs and it sounds nice.

I think money spent at the front end of the exhaust outweighs money spent at the rear of it.

Andrew
 

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Originally posted by Scaero (Maptun stg3):
[qb]I think money spent at the front end of the exhaust outweighs money spent at the rear of it.
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Having first spent money at the back end and then, later, at the front end, I agree with Scaero's comment.
 

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I too have the JT3" front section - no cat - though put my standard front pipe back on last week for MOT. I have a a couple of boxes from ECP on the back as I had replaced them before I knew about upgrading. The 3" front pipe definitely makes a difference and the engine feels as though it is breathing more easily and is in preparation for my ECU upgrade which has just arrived . In my case a bit more noise but not unacceptable.

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Had my stainless steel exhaust hand made and fitted (including the downpipe)for about £550 by Hayward & Scott in Basildon.

Cat bypass has been fitted (10 minute job to put the cat on for the MOT), lag is no longer noticeable, the sound is fantastic (quiet at low revs, “purposeful” a bit further up the rev range) and the build quality and fit is absolutely superb. I have not seen a system better the quality of the H&S one, anywhere.

Not only that, but H&S are real turbo experts, developing and producing systems for Subaru Impreza’s, which are THE exhausts to fit to Scoobs.

Had it on for about 18 months now, and it has needed only 1 adjustment (a retighten) after about 1,000 miles.
 

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Classic Ford did a big article on Long Life a few years ago. They look pretty good... the system is made up on the car, it's all TIG welded, they keep taking it off and adjusting till it fits.

I've read comments of a lot of people who have fitted them to Fords of various types and all comments have been positive - words like "true craftsmen" get repeated a lot

How well they know Saabs I don't know, but I did call them up recently and ask them and they seemed friendly and knowledgeable.

As someone said, fitting the old cat into a SS downpipe is probably not a good idea, but to a certain extent they will do whatever you tell them - it's up to you to make the right decision I think.

Anyway, just thought I'd drop that in - whatever the pro's and con's of SS vs. mild, JT systems and the rest, I've never heard a bad word about Long Life.
 

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Funnily enough I was talking to my local Saab specialist who mentioned one of his Customers had a system fitted from Longlife on a 2.3 CSE FPT Auto and he commented it looked extremely well made with neat welds and fitted perfectly. This system was fitted from the Flexi back and he commented how quiet it was at idle with only 2 boxes and that when pushed it made a nice note which did not intrude into the cabin (mind you he mentioned the 9000 is so well insulated anyway!)
I will have to do some more research - is there a Speedparts supplier in the UK - that stage 3 sounds very cheap for that level of power hike.
 
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