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Need some advice from some enthusiasts. I am thinking of buying my first Saab, a 1988 2.0 Carlsson Turbo (9000) in black. It has covered 220,000 miles (Saab history up to £150k). Recently has had recon gearbox, new driveshafts, clutch, discs & pads. It has full service history including all receipts. Only problems are a small amount of rust on the o/s wheel arch, the air-con is not as good as it used to be, and the rear windscreen wiper is knackered. In your opinion, is it worth touching this car with 220k on the clock? I know Saab's go forever but this is alot of miles! I have negotiated £850.00, and want to buy this car alot - but i'm dubious about this mileage. Please help!
 

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My MY90 2.0l CD Carlsson has 214k on the clock. I would not advise anyone to get an 'old' 9000 unless they can do a lot of the work themselves (I can) or they have plenty of dosh to pay someone to look after it (I dont). At this mileage expect brake caliper, radiator, water pump, alternator, steering rack, suspension, turbo, head gasket and DI unit to be tired.
Having said all that the 9000Carlsson is a great car and you might have found a geniune good one that will go on for another 220k miles. By the way last time I did the head gasket on mine (181k) the original machining (honing) marks were still visible on the cylinder bores - amazing.
 

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I have a 2.3turbo CD which has now covered 190k miles and consider it to be just run-in.
Don't be put off by the mileage, just go with your gut feeling about the car( and the seller!) If it's a good one you'll be a Saab man forever. Good luck.
 

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My 9000 CSE 2.3 turbo has a mere 165K + on the clock with a full history, and, too hasn't run in yet. As long as you are prepared to replace the usual items as above then you shouldn't go far wrong, as long as you intend to keep the car for a lengthy period. After all at this mileage, it is any wonder that these bits and bobs would need attention or replacing, in any other make? Don't forget, some makes and models don't even get to 100k!
 

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Dear porker 10,
The sentiments are right on.
If you need a garage then find a good Saab specialist.
Expect to pay something like £500 twice a year, if this makes you wince then you may not be a happy bunny later on.
Yes, I know this is a little extream but it could be worse, or better depending on your luck. But by spending this sort of dosh my car looks like new after 11 years...
 

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Porker...I have seen the Saab you are bidding on at Ebay...Me thinks you need to go and have a play in a 220k car before you part with any cash..you might get caned, and when you get caned by a Saab it normally stings ......a lot
 

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Thanks for all the advice guy's, it is much appreciated. This is exactly what has been done to the car, which in my mind seems to be o.k Admittedly, it is still running on the original Head gasket and Turbo. Anyone have any ideas on how much these would be to replace if they do decide to die on me?
If there is anything else i can look for then please let me know. I am a Saab virgin so any advice would be gratefully recieved.

Springs and shocks 180,000
Clutch 160,000
All four brake disks 180,000
Front wheel bearings 180,000
Both track rod ends 190,000
both front ball joints ( 190,000 for one 215,000 for the other)
All springs and shocks 180,000
Gearbox 200,000
both drive shafts ( 205,000 and 215,000)
Battery 190,000
Exhaust 170,000
N/S front wishbone 200,000
Windscreen 205,000
Engine mounts ( one at 160,000, the others around 200,000)
 

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I did some similar research before buying mine (1989 2.0l) which had about 120K on it.

Turbo : I asked Turbo Technics about exchange turbos, they wrote back : "The turbocharger part number on your car should be 49184-03400. This turbo is manufactured by Mitsubishi, but we replace this turbo with one manufactured by Garrett and assembled and tested by Turbo Technics. This quote relates to these number, but please check your cars turbo part number first.

Several options are available:
1. Complete service exchange turbo £415.00 plus VAT and carriage.
2. Turbocharger overhauls from £205.00 plus VAT and carriage.(Allow 48 hours)
3. Engineers reports and inspections. Free of charge.".

so there you go.

Can't help you on the Head Gasket tho'.

No idea about the head gasket.
 

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Quarryeff - i do see what your saying, but as they say, 'you can't be too careful'. Im only 21 years old you see, and if it go's critically wrong then i don't have the finances to sort it, which is why i am playing it as safely as i can. I could go and buy myself a lovely little 1.2 Fiesta, but wheres the fun in that? I need something brutal & large.......Carlsson's seem perfect! Thanks for everyone's advice again, it is much appreciated. The Saab's being collected tonight, i'll let you know how i get on! Alan.
 

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John - I have actually found someone to insure me. Admittedly its going to cost £1100 third part fire and theft, but NEVERMIND! I'm going to have plenty of enjoyment from the car, i do alot of motorway miles so it seems perfect. Besides, cars are my hobby really - i've owned many including an Audi GT Quattro which was pretty quick so it's not like i have just traded in my BMX and dived head first into the world of performance cars. Because it's a 'family saloon', the insurance is cheaper for me anyway, i had a BMW 316i Coupe that cost me £2.5k to insure fully comp. If it had been a 4 door it would have been just over £1.5k! Amazing really isn't it?! Alan
 

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Hi Alan,
The clutch could be coming up for another change as its' done 60k miles, but then again might go on a couple of years, it all depends on its' use (or abuse). This job would not be at the cheap end of the spectrum...
The gearbox is the other weak point, but as its' been done, you should be ok, with the above caveat. Hope it was a good job they did...
 

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Alan - sorry if i sounded a little hard, but personally i think the car would be worth it just to stand it on the drive and look at it. These are serious cars and must be treated with respect. You will get a lot of support from sites like this, so don't panic and go spending ££££££s if something goes wrong. NOTHING costs much to do if you have a little time to organise things, just use contacts and return favours. Above all, drive safely, especially after you have got used to it. Trust me, performance is in a different league to the Audi (you mean the non turbo i presume) and you need to know when to back off a bit. Enjoy!
 

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Quarryeff - You are absolutely right. It is such a tasty looking vehicle that i will look after it as best as i can! I plan to drive it safely as i will be reliant on the car for work, and i really don't want it to go wrong. I do intend to see how 200bhp & a turbo in a Saab feels like, if you see what i mean......! Thanks for the support, it is nice to know that i have fellow Carlsson owners out there that are willing to offer advice, as the last thing i want to do is take it to the first garage i see and ask them to tell me what the problem is. I've done this before, and have been stung - badly. Suddenly i feel alot more confident about maintanence - thankyou. I've got some back-up now. M25 here i come.........
 

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Well......................all i can say is now i know exactly why you lot like Saab Turbo's. Bloody Hell. It certainly is leagues above my Audi Quattro!

Picked up the Carlsson last night. Seller was very genuine. I even have the original leather Saab folder with all the original documentation and stacks of receipts. Interior is immaculate, and certainly does not look like a 220k car. I did 100 miles last night and not a problem whatsoever, and a pleasure it was too! I think i shall be hanging onto this one for some time!
 

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It might be too late but after about 5 hours of phoning round for insurance on my Aero the cheapest insurers (that sounded like they might pay out on a claim) were Bell Direct 0900 140 180. Might be worth a try.
 

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Don't worry guy's. I may just be out of nappie's but i'm gonna take it easy. After the rain last night i soon learnt that once the turbo kicks in you get about as much traction as a Ford Transit on an ice rink. I must admit that when i put my foot down initially (i had to have a go!) i thought i may need a change of underwear. It was pleasurable, then the turbo kicked in and it was shocking!. I really had to grip that steering wheel with both hands i tell you! I had such an adrenaline rush that i've been smiling all day! My theory is (it's obvious really) the harder you drive the car the more likely it is to break. Since i would have to sell a Limb to pay for the repairs, i think i will drive like a saint - but it's nice to know i have that power there if needed (there were a couple of Arctic's on the M20 last night that saw the Carlsson effect). JFP - Cheers for that insurance number, i'll give 'em a try. Oh yeah, any black Carlsson owners reckon that their car's remind them of the Batmobile? Not a bad criticism, just large, red & black & seems to accelerate from 30 to 100 in about 0.5 seconds (obvious exaggeration there). Thanks everyone, Alan.
 
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