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Hi

I just got a 9000 S manufactured in 1989 which has done 101K miles. The car is not in the best order but just got through the MOT OK, starts OK, drives OK and should last me the year that I need it for. I know absolutely nothing about these cars and was hoping that someone could advise me on the following:

1. Can anyone tell me if there is anything that I should check or any precautions I should take to prevent an inconvienient and expensive breakdown?

2. Is there anywhere you can get an on-line version of the owners manual?

3. Where is a good source of scrap parts? I need a replacement set of switches for the window and sun roof plus some rear light lenses and a few other odds and ends.

4. What sort of MPG should I be getting if I drive it on a 100 mile motorway journey staying at around 70mph?

5. The brakes are really quite good but I seem to have to stand on the pedal really hard in comparison with other vehicles I've driven. Is that normal?

Thanks in advance

Ian
 

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Welcome to the board Ian!

101k miles is pretty low miles for a 9000 - so hopefully you should get a lot more out of it.

1. As for precautions:

Ensure the car is running on the correct spark plugs (Someone else help out as I can't remember ) though I'm sure it's NGK plugs. If the engine sounds particularly rattly you may be in for an expensive timing chain replacement.

I suppose all the obvious stuff - ensure it's had a recent oil change - gearbox oil level. Pads / Disks etc.

Stuff that tends to go - slave cylinder, master cylinder, engine mounts, timing chain.

Check that the drain holes in the bottom of the doors aren't clogged up with cr4p as this will lead to rust. Normally rust at the bottom of the doors and around the arches.

2. not sure if this exists. Have heard of a CD flying about though not entirely sure if it's for the 9000. Haynes is okay, but that's about it!

3. Scrap parts - depends whereabouts you are - where are you?

4. MPG - you're not going to get much over 30mpg. My old 1991 9000 2.0i used to average 30mpg, though I didn't stick to 70! Would have thought you should get 35mpg if car is in good order.

5. Would say this is normal - they take a good prod, though are pretty good when you need them.

Hope that helps!
 

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The 9000S is a solid car, I only spent about £500 in 22 months on mine. That was just for routine servicing and maintenance. Didn't need a drop of water or oil adding to it ever, just kept the tyres inflated and drove it around. Much of that is due to the fact that the B202 engine was designed as a turbo so the standard injection unit is massively under-stressed.

However, fuel economy is not great, I got around 30 - 35 on a motorway run and about 20mp around town. My 2.3 FPT returns better MPG, although much of that may be down to the longer gearing.

Enjoy your Saab!
 

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Kevin

Thanks for your most helpful reply, glad to know there is life in the old girl yet

1. Could you tell me why it is so important to fit NGK plugs in particular? Is there something special about that particular brand?

2. Can you point me to places I can read about the likely failures you identified (i.e. master cylinder, engine mounts etc.) so I can educate myself on how to check they are OK?

3. I live near High Wycombe in Buckinghamshire Can you point me at suitable sources of scrap spares?

To put this into context, the car cost me £zero and has copious amounts of ferrous oxide on the bodywork (probably because they didn't clean out the drain holes as you suggest;-). I don't therefore want to spend loads of money on new parts unless there is no alternative. My objective is to keep the old girl going for one year spending as little as possible and scrapping her afterwards.

4. On my first long journey of 160 miles today the on board electronics were telling me I averaged 30mpg. Do you think I should be doing something to improve that? If so what?

Thanks again!
 

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NGK plugs are specified (BCPR6ES). They are essential for cars with Saab's Direct Ignition system (it's a very sophisticated system and uses the plugs for sensing lots of things - it was developed exclusively for the NGK plugs). However, I don't think the non-turbo got this until 1990. If the car has a distributor, which is likely, then equivalents from other manufacturers are OK - Haynes specify Champion RC9YCC (they also recommend a Champion plug for Direct Ignition engines - ignore that). I'm sure there is a Bosch equivalent too. If there is a branch of German & Swedish near you, try them as they are a Bosch dealer.
For engine mountings and other things, there is my website and QuasiMotor's website (geared towards our transatlantic cousins, but useful nonetheless). There are some links to UK scrappies (not too far from you) on my site.

The brakes seem variable. They always stop you when you stand on them, but my Aero and CSE auto need a bit of a shove to stop them, while my CSE manual (136K miles, probably on the original discs!) would probably flip end over end if you slammed on its brakes. Sometimes while manoeuvring it, I touch the brakes and it stops so suddenly I think I've hit something!

As far as fuel economy is concerned, remember that the 9000 is a pretty heavy car. I assume yours is a 2.3 (it will say on the cam cover)? The turbos are benerally more economical than the non-turbos and my CSE 2.0 light-pressure-turbo can manage about 35mpg on a long motorway journey (my Aero 2.3T can manage more than that, due to very high gearing).

30mpg doesn't sound terribly bad.
 

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Sorry, Kevin. Didn't mean to steal your thunder on the plugs...
I agree that a non-specialist srappy is likely to be cheaper as long as you know what you're after (because they probably won't). The specialists sell new parts too, so they know the new price and seem to charge accordingly.
While Two-Stroke, it seems, always quote more than Neo Brothers over the phone,I found that if you go there and talk to them, they can be prepared to deal. I only found this out when I needed a bumper and Neo Brothers didn't have one so I had no choice but to go to Two stroke (who are closer to me anyway).
 

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Sorry, Kevin. Didn't mean to steal your thunder on the plugs...  [/b]
No worries! You are assuming I had some thunder to steal (which I didn't!) Didn't know the techie stuff - was just sure I'd heard people saying before to use the NGK plugs - didn't realise it was because of the DI unit (which all 3 of my 9000's have had). Supposed this makes sense - I wondered why the 9000's were so "attached" to these specific plugs!
 

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If you're not sure, "NGK only" is the safest advice to give. They're easily available in this country (unlike the US, where people seem to have difficulty finding them in certain areas), so there's no reason to use anything else unless people wnat to experiment with platinum plugs or the like.
 

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As Bill says, NGK are a necessity for a car with DI. Saab themselves dabbled with Bosch for a while but quickly switched back to NGK when the number of people turning up at their dealer's with knackered DI cassettes increased dramatically.
 

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Ian,
Welcome to the BB and Saabs. You have joined the marque which has the best customer loyalty for any brand, so you maybe staying with Saabs for a while!

>>3. Where is a good source of scrap parts? I need a replacement set of switches for the window and sun roof plus some rear light lenses and a few other odds and ends.

You can fairly easily (if your are dexterous, and fairly handy with your fingers) dismantle the central switch unit (lower part first then remove middle part), clean the carbonised contacts on the rocker switches, and reassemble. Takes 1 to 2 hours depending on how handy you are. Don't forget to add a small amount of vasseline or similar to switch contact point on rocker to renew lubrication.

Saves you the cost of a replacement part and should last alot longer than a second hand part!

I wrote up the procedure in detail about Feb time of this year in case you want to hunt through the threads!

Hope this saves you some greenbacks!
 

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You have joined the marque which has the best customer loyalty for any brand[/b]
Don't wish to be a pedant, but AFAIK, Mercedes has the highest level of customer loyalty. Saab enjoys the second highest level of customer loyalty (subject to the 20% of people they will lose due to loss of hatchback format)
 

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Never heard of 'Mecedes' before John
Who make's em? )

Thanks for setting the record straight. 2nd best can't be too bad for Saab, in terms of loyalty at any rate.

I note that Mercs share some parts with Saab (e.g. Bosch Alternator on 1993 2Lt LPT, etc), so Merc's can't be that bad can they!
 

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Anyone know what the fuel tank capacity is on a 1989 9000S? I reckon the gauge must be faulty because from one quarter full indicated, the tank only took £32 of fuel.

I'll go with that. £35 to fill up tonite at 72.9P/litre from a 1/4 full all ready for the drive to Brum for the meet on Sunday.Fuel wise my 92 CS with five up going from Manchester to a place in Wales whose name fails me did 39.9 MPG.And I don't drive slow. My Carly is lucky to get 20mpg on the short journeys I do, but Sunday's drive should give me a better idea what it is capable of.
 
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