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Lets for instance say I cant find a Carlsson or decent cheap Aero, (those words dont go together) - then I would be prepared to spend say approx £1000 on my 91 2.3 FPT.

So to all the tuning experts here, what would you do and why ?

and what sort of power / handling advantages could I gain ?
 

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Re: £1000

I'd be tempted by that approach, I've spend about £3000 on my 93 aero this year..

You are a little more limited on tuning companies for ecu/DI/APC, but exhaust, airfilter, intercooler, lsd, polybushes, springs, dampers, brakes and wheels etc are all readily available.

Why not have a little wander arounf the elkparts and maptun sites to get a general idea, or if rich, abbotts.

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As you already own a FPT, the step performance up to Carly or Aero is nowhere near as great as say going from an LPT to FPT.

You're limited in ECU tuning options- as Andrew said only Abbott and possibly Maptun offer ECU upgrades.

If I were you, I'd concentrate in other areas. If the engine is mechanically sound, then you can use a bleed valve to up the performance to about that of a Carly or Aero. About £30 tops.

Then I'd sort the suspension. If your shocks are OK, then drop a set of lower springs on it without changing anything else.

Change the rear ARB for a 19mm one, fit poly bushes to front and rear ARBs plus front rear wishbones, and enjoy the sheer
factor on A roads.

If you haven't already got 16" wheels, look for a s/h set.

All my above list is very comfortably achievable for under £1000. Spend the rest on the extra petrol you'll want to use!!
 

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Thanks Mark.

The Engine is mint, 160,000 miles full service history, it was last owned by a Dr, who seemed to spend in excess of £650 every service for the last 3 years - then it was previously owned by the owner of a Saab specialist garage in Norwich I think.

It pulls very well, and attempts to wheel spin (TCS) in 1st & 2nd in the dry and will spin in the first 4 gears in the wet !

Will pull 145 m.p.h, much to the anger of a Z4
and will out run a 330ci between 30 - 90 MPH.


So engine is sound, I do keep thinking about the MBC, but am put of by some people telling me I will blow my engine up !!

The handling is the real point that hurts me, I have never had such a bad car ! The steering is very direct and full of feel, well compared to my old GM900 - but the understeer gremlin is always present, I had koni's on the GM 900 and did not think much of them, they really killed the ride. I want a nice balance between comfortable wafting and not hot hatch handling, but say BMW 5 series road holding.

I would like 250 BHP, with the added benefit of extra road holding.
 

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Well, speaking as the owner (proud, needless to say) of a '91 9000 SE Auto, that originally put out 200bhp and scared the bejezus out of me with its "poor" handling, and having gone along much the same route as Mark E suggests, I'd endorse what he says.

I got lower, stiffer springs, adjustable koni's, uprated rear AR bar and AR bar bushes front and rear. The handling was so massively improved that I could then countenance performance upgrades.

I got a motorsport dump valve, a bleed valve, removed the catalyser and got re-usable air filter, then got the better countoured exhaust down-pipe.

I've also gone up to 16" wheels.

Result? Total
I've got 248 bhp and a much more responsive car that corners on rails. I'm also running on LPG which gives a 10% performance improvement over petrol, but I think that this is becasue the original ECU can't keep up - if I changed that I'd probably get ?? 260BHP while running on petrol - but I'd probably need to get a new gearbox every 10k miles!

Most folks from here who've been in my car comment on the "smooth power".

What would I do next? Upgrade the brakes becasue I'm still running original spec.

The stuff that I've outlined above would take you quite a bit over the £1000. So start with a bleed valve & replace the cat. Then do something with the handling. This should be within your budget. HTH
 

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I've been in Gassy's motor and can vouch for the
factor
It's quite a beast

I would also agree that once you are getting beyond 240/250bhp you really need to be looking at upgrading the brakes, as I have discovered myself, recently I have always considered Saab brakes to be pretty good, but above this sort of power better stopping ability is a necessity

I second MarkE - this is a very interesting question
 

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Originally posted by turkish:
[qb]Thanks Mark.

The Engine is mint, 160,000 miles full service history, it was last owned by a Dr, who seemed to spend in excess of £650 every service for the last 3 years - then it was previously owned by the owner of a Saab specialist garage in Norwich I think.

It pulls very well, and attempts to wheel spin (TCS) in 1st & 2nd in the dry and will spin in the first 4 gears in the wet !

Will pull 145 m.p.h, much to the anger of a Z4          
and will out run a 330ci between 30 - 90 MPH.


So engine is sound, I do keep thinking about the MBC, but am put of by some people telling me I will blow my engine up !!

The handling is the real point that hurts me, I have never had such a bad car ! The steering is very direct and full of feel, well compared to my old GM900 - but the understeer gremlin is always present, I had koni's on the GM 900 and did not think much of them, they really killed the ride. I want a nice balance between comfortable wafting and not hot hatch handling, but say BMW 5 series road holding.

I would like 250 BHP, with the added benefit of extra road holding. [/qb][/b]
Scarabe green by any chance?

Previous owner being a Dr D.J. Alden of Silver Green, Hempnall? Before that, Robert Holden, Saab Specialist of Vulcan Road South

If so.....
 

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Re: £1000

I would do the poly thing first
arb bushes,rear front wishbone bushes ,change the drop links and poly that
then koni adjustables and a set of good springs
that should take you up to 450
then ...
an ecu upgrade and the 3" downpipe for

this will probably take you over but....
an mbc is a good and bad
alan b melted one of his pistons (but he was running lean and on an uprated ecu)
I have been running one for the last 60 k with only one turbo blow up...
I run a two stage one now which cost me about 120 from oz..
(the higher setting is for these porsche baiting moments)
so all in about 1200-1300 squid depending which ecu
but for that you would have a car that eats others for breakfast
then all you need to do is save up for the first gearbox re-build (and the lsd of course)
 

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Sounds like my Uncle's who sold his about 2 months ago.

He's a Doctor, bought it about 3-4 years ago from a saab specialist in Norwich.

His was a J plate scarab green CSE 2.3T with TCS in the mid 155,000 miles which was meticulasly maintained.

He old sold as his partner told him to get something moere economic when he started working much further away (he now has a Audo A6 Avant 1.9 TDI giving over 50 mpg at 70mph)

It's a nice car with the walnut extra's but on 15" cross spoke rims.

Andrew
I've given it the beans in the past too
 

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you could buy a much cheaper, much less abused, much lower milage 9000 2.0 lpt. fit koni, sort brakes.get 3" jt exhaust go to maptun and get stage 3 ecu. fit forge dump valve and jr filter,and if possible uprated actuator, and get a totally brilliant car 265 bhp 370nm torque. i have this set up. no lag just fantastic power all through the rev range.
 

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£1000 is about the budget I had for this year in terms of tuning. So far I've added...

Wheels: SH 16" Aero Wheels and new Toyo T1-S Tyres
Suspension: Front/rear ARB bushes, poly top Torque arm bush (combo of 1 poly and 1 rubber)
Brakes: ATE Power Discs + Ferodo FR pads

That little lot came to around £700ish. I would've had springs as well but my chains needed doing, so the springs are waiting until the next service in April!

Anyway, the car is much more driveable now, virtually no Torque steer, sharper steering response and smooth/SAFE power delivery.
 

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Rssponding to Ylee's comment about melting engines I'd say that the bleed valve should be no problem at all provided you don't go daft with it. Mine was set - by Abbott's who should knpow about these things - to boost to the bottom of the solid red on the gauge. Its been in place on my car for at least 50k miles with no problems.

BTW, I'd add another small item to my list. I reckon that replacing all the old vacuum tubing has made a slight but noticeable difference - which you would perhaps expect on a 12 year old car.
 

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Yes that must be the same car. He really did keep it in tip top condition ! Even the leather shows no sign of wear, and yes the wheels are bloody awful.

Right back to my original question. I have sourced a set of 16" Saab 3 spoke wheels and good tyres, along with a Abbot racing suspension kit for £300.

Although the wheels were the last thing I wanted to do, from the responses above I feel this was now a good thing to do first.

Going to try and to the suspension myself with a little guidance from friends, and will probably end up asking you lots of other questions !

What is a ARB ? and the poly bushes are they easy to fit, should I do this when the suspension is off ?
 

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ARB= Anti Roll Bar.

Yes, it should be a bit cheaper to do whilst the springs and shocks are being done. Given they are so cheap, it's definitely worth doing.

Be prepared for a very different car when you get back in
 

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Just found out that the donor car That I have brought to do all my mods (wheels and suspension), actually was the first owned by Abbot racing , it has a L.S.D, an Intercooler and apparetly a hybrid turbo (not sure of this is still on here) and high lift cams. They think it may have had a chip at some point, but there is no record of this.
 

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Well it sounds like you've got yourself a bargin then if all that stuff is still on the car......


LSD and alloy intercooler are £1500 fitted new alone, and I would say there's a good chance that the LSD will still be in it, only what year is the donar car..?? If it's a post 93 then the diff will be different to a 85-93 model.
 

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No it is a 1991 car, and Mine is a 1991 so should be all ok. But We might just do the car up to it's original state. As Ed said this was one of his most famous 9000's. It was driven by Derek warrick a few times round Millbrook, and has lots of history and famous tales to it.

Is there any way if you can tell if the ECU is different ?
 
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