2000 9-3 2.2 TiD Fuel Warnings etc.

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Thread: 2000 9-3 2.2 TiD Fuel Warnings etc.

  1. #1
    Hi, I'm 3 weeks into my first SAAB and generally quite enjoying it.

    Managed to knock a fair bit off the purchase price because of the SID Pixel problem and a few other minor niggles. Fixed these within 20 minutes of getting home thanks to the posts here so big thanks are due already!

    So, I'm coming to the end of my 2nd tankfull of Diesel and want to check all the various warning functions etc are working correctly, so I decide to run the fuel down as far as I dare.

    The owners handbook tells me to expect a fuel warning light, and a STOP FOR FUEL warning on the SID when there's just 3 litres left.

    So tonight, with the needle barely in the red, no sign of any warning lights or SID messages and the SID telling me I've got around 120 miles remaining, Imagine my surprise when I ran out of fuel!

    After turning the ignition off and on the fuel warning light did come on (so the bulb works!) -a bit late.

    Anything I can do / check to ensure all sensors etc are functional? (the fuel gauge and SID MPG / Miles Remaining etc seem to work OK, but evidently without that much accuracy at the critical low end!

    From Completely Full to Completely Empty I got 698 miles which doesn't seem bad - is this comparable with others? (I've been deliberately curbing my enthusiasm to see how much MPG I can get)

    Oh, one other thing - I am pretty disappointed with the handling - especially if cornering on an uneven surface - seems to throw it completely - is this normal (I have read quite a few posts complaining that the roadholding isn't that good) or d you think I might need some new shocks?

    I've got a whole bunch of questions on the Audio side, but I'll stick them in a seperate post!

    TIA!

    Will

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  3. #2
    I believe that it is possible to adjust the fuel gauge's sensitivity, but you need Tech2...

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    When you see the STOP FOR FUEL message, you should really stop to refuel as soon as possible! In my experiece the gauge and the warning light are fairly accurate, but it is really sensitive to slope angles etc. If you park the car on a downhill slope, it will indicate more, if it is uphill, less.

    The DIY remaining distance on the SID is based on your consumption over the last 10 kms, so if you happen to be rolling downhill, it will be rather optimistic. Your consumption seems normal to me.

    Regarding the handling, well it has a pretty heavy diesel engine up front and the chassis comes from an old Vectra. The 9-3 TiD does not like to be thrown around corners, it is more a comfortable long-distance cruiser. The suspension setup is improved from the GM 900, but in the case of the TiD, the heavy engine does not improve the handling. (I had a 1995 900 2.0 before, it was more agile on windy roads than the TiD.)

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    The owners handbook tells me to expect a fuel warning light, and a STOP FOR FUEL warning on the SID when there's just 3 litres left.

    So tonight, with the needle barely in the red, no sign of any warning lights or SID messages and the SID telling me I've got around 120 miles remaining, Imagine my surprise when I ran out of fuel!

    After turning the ignition off and on the fuel warning light did come on (so the bulb works!) -a bit late.[/b]

    Sounds like you need to get the fuel guage checked out/ adjusted like Boris says..

    The fuel warning light is supposed to come on when there are 10 litres fuel left, in my car this usually equates to 80-100 miles left on the SID. I used to sometimes go to work, back home then to work again (75 miles) with the fuel warning light on.

    But then like you I got caught out and ran out when I was 6 miles from work but the SID still said 18 miles (SID told me I had got 46 miles range at start of a 25 mile journey). I had read discussions before that people had run theirs right down to 0 miles, and I had had mine down into single figures a few times without running out. I have only once seen the 'Stop For Fuel' message.

    Now I try to fill up quite promptly after the warning light coming on and pay less attention to the SID, running out of fuel is a right pain on the motorway...






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    I'm more of the same: get a dealer or specialist to adjust your fuel gauge. How to set it up I'm not sure, I'd hope that Tech2 has some kind of calibration method?

    The handbook says that the TiD has a 68 litre tank and the low fuel light is claimed to come on when there are 10 litres left. I tend to fill up pretty much when the fuel light tends to come on and I always fill it. It tends to take ~55 litres if I fill it immediately. Maybe the TiD only has a 64 litre tank as some of the petrol models have?

    Indeedy the fuel and coolant gauge illuminates when in stealth mode when there are 15 litres or less in the tank. Okay okay when the dashboard is in Night Mode, I just prefer stealth mode because I'm sad. This is another clue as to how much it thinks is left in the tank.

    I have covered 60 miles with the low fuel light on and the most I've ever put into the tank has been under 61 litres. I have never seen the final warning of imminent doom on the SID.

    What I do know is that running out of fuel is an excuse for your buddies to take the mickey out of you for the next twelve years...

    Also, around 80 miles after filling I have seen the SID claim that the distance to empty figure is over 1,000 miles... that was along the A66 heading west at 40 after a gentle run up the A1...

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    I've managed to squeeze 70.5 litres into mine, having run 5 miles past the distance to empty = 0 point

    and still got no warning on the SID

    go figure

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    Hi, I'm 3 weeks into my first SAAB and generally quite enjoying it.[/b]


    So tonight, with the needle barely in the red, no sign of any warning lights or SID messages and the SID telling me I've got around 120 miles remaining, Imagine my surprise when I ran out of fuel![/b]
    Now that you know when you'll run out, try to keep filling up between the quarter tank indication and the beginning of the red. If you consistently run it that low you could disturb the sediments and moisture that accumulate on the bottom and create other problems.

    Oh, one other thing - I am pretty disappointed with the handling - especially if cornering on an uneven surface - seems to throw it completely - is this normal (I have read quite a few posts complaining that the roadholding isn't that good) or d you think I might need some new shocks?[/b]
    You can get the 22mm (7/8") rear antiroll bar from the likes of Abbott or Elkparts. The steering rack clamp and brace is another necessity.

    I've got a whole bunch of questions on the Audio side, but I'll stick them in a seperate post![/b]
    Try here.
    http://www.kolumbus.fi/richard.bevan...b93/index.html


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    Good Day.

    I ran my '02 9-3 TiD dry showing 67 miles DTE shortly after buying it.

    Two re-programmes of the software didn't convince me, and eventually the dealer (Ballamy's, Shoreham. Pity they're no more) replaced the sender/float unit in the tank. It now gets down to zero DTE if I push it, and the STOP FOR FUEL message comes on at a convincing time.

    I thought the warnings came from the sender unit/computer, not the gage. The needle positions on the gage (full and empty extremes) can indeed be adjusted. If I'm right, fiddling with the gage therefore won't influence the problem.

    I too see the light come on at about 100 DTE, and once saw 1000 immediately after fuelling up, doing 50 mph down a gentle slope. I am a fuel miser and most miles are at 60 mph, cruise control, on motorway, 60 mile round trip to work. This returns 52 MPG and I usually get 700 miles per tank, filling up at about 50 DTE. It takes about 60 litres but I don't bother brimming it in case hot weather expands the fuel out the tank.

    I'm using an '05 Octavia 2.0 TDi at the moment, 10% smaller engine, 10% more horsepower, but 20% better fuel economy! But it has to go. Brilliant A to B car, VW build and all that, but when I walk up to it in a car park I feel no pride. It's blandness overwhelms me.

    Regards - Doug

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