Hello everyone, just found this bb board (after using TSN).
I have had the car for a fortnight now. I love it. its fantastic, but it isn't running quite right.
I know that:
crankcase oil seal is gone (garage i bought car from fixing next friday)
that little rubber gearbox coupler needs replacing for a new one (already patched old up with nylon ties!)
The boost goes to edge of red/yellow, then tapers off - normal i think, but maybe get indie to look at it.
it doesnt feel that quick. 1st and 2nd gear are silly. i wont bother with them!
3rd is quick, but doesnt always throw you back in the seat
4th is poor
5th feels faster than 4th
Is anyone in manchester area with a cs carlsson, who would be willing to compare performance?
I followed an audi S3 onto motorway..he initially got away, then i kept up with him, slowly closing...i was foot to floor..i think he wasn't driving as hard as he could...should the carly be able to do this? I know it is very sad, immature etc etc to race somebody - but i'm trying to find cars that i feel the carly should be as quick as.
Anyway enough of my rants, excuse the grammar (think the spelling is ok tho'!)
Paul http://www.saabscene.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Hi Paul, it was me that left you the messages on TSN, welcome, Im sure you will find this board very helpful.

I have a carlsson, and if yours is running on song it should fly in all gears and haul in a S2.
If everything is running ok a manual boost valve will transform your performance, its the cheapest way of getting a lot of BHP for around £35 coupled with an uprated wastegate auctuator you can boost into the mid red and hold it longer, higher if your brave enough.A few people on here have fitted them and love them, a few will try to put you off, its down to personal choice, I have run one for a couple of years, use optimax and your ok.

Anyway there are lot of techy guys on here that will point you in the right direction

Mark

Welcome to the board Paulmanchester!

You Carly should pull well into the red. My 160,000 miler old shape 2.3 Carlsson gets at lease half way into the red.

Acceleration in all gears should be at least good - if I catch the speed right, 4th gear is awesome.

Richard Elliot (http://www.saabtec.co.uk/) isn't too far from you - he may be worth a call....

Kevin Mc
1991 9000 Carlsson 2.3T

mpen - thanks for the invite to here!
My cs carlsson is definately underperforming - just come up to edinburgh again, thought it was ok, seemed quick, but was silly and raced a beemer 520i
100-120, i was in 5th (so could have dropped down a gear) but he didnt just pull away, he absolutely obliterated me! we were going up hill in the lakes..(M6).you probably know rthe roads too! Either
a) he was in 4th gear, but even so it should have been a close thing
B) he had a different beemer and stuck the 520 badge on:-)
c)my car is slooooooooooow!

Help
paul

I hope you don't mind me asking all these questions - i'm new to turbbo saabs (had an old 2.3i - old, grey and tired!)
Things I have done:
Spark plugs, checked/adjusted to 1.1mm - ngk ones, correct for car,cant remember offhand exact model of 'em
checked vacuum hoses( that i could find)
replaced a couple of hoses that were old/split
checked air filter is ok, it is
checked wastegate is moving
checked apc solenoid valve buzzes/clicks, it does
checked dump valve holds vacuum - it does
thats it all i can remeber offhand, anything else i needto check????????

Also, boost goes to edge of top end of staggered line, then falls away (on journey today noticed it falls a long way occasionally, almost to 2/3rd up yellow (base boost???))

Thanbks again
PS maybe go see this guy in glossop, although in edinburgh for a few days - anyone know of a good garage(indie) up here???
cheeres
paul

but was silly and raced a beemer 520i
100-120, i was in 5th (so could have dropped down a gear) but he didnt just pull away, he absolutely obliterated me! *[/b]Oh dear! This is quite serious indeed! A 520 should be a speck in your rear view mirror. Can anyone help this man?

If the Beemer beat you so convincingly, I suspect it wasn't a 520. As I said, my 2.3 Carlsson boosts about half way into the red (beyond the broken lines).

Most the stuff you've suggested is the sort of stuff this may be. Can anyone else confirm if it's worth fitting a bleed valve / Dawes device to cut out the APC in case that is stopping the boost? Some of the turbos can develop hairline cracks, though this won't necessarily affect the boost.

There is an Edinburgh specialist mentioned here (http://www.saabscene.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000729)

Hope that helps, and hope you get your Carlsson sorted! (Hope it's a cheap cure too)..

kevin, thats what i thought too! I couldn't believe it!
humbled by a beemer 520i oh dear!
i think its time to go see a specialist!
Then maybe a manual boost control, just worried about knock - not sure i can afford to fill up all the time with super unleaded!

kevin, thats what i thought too! I couldn't believe it!
humbled by a beemer 520i oh dear!
i think its time to go see a specialist!
Then maybe a manual boost control, just worried about knock - not sure i can afford to fill up all the time with super unleaded!

100-120, i was in 5th (so could have dropped down a gear) but he didnt just pull away, he absolutely obliterated me! we were going up hill in the lakes..(M6).you probably know the roads too![/b]Yes I know the roads! I don't really know what a Carly should do but my 2.3 LPT will top comfortably top 120 around there (I meant 70 officer ). I'd have thought a Carly should better that. Not that I suggesting it's either big or clever to break the speed limit... Sometimes you just want to know what a car can do.

The car's got new plugs, oil, hoses etc. The only mod, if you can call it that, is a JR freeflow filter and I run either 97 RON or Optimax when I can get it.

I agree with Kevin Mc's suggestion: take it over to Richard Elliot's. Also have a look at these sites if you haven't already Electric Dream 9000 (http://www.electricbbs.com/saab/index.html) Quasi's (http://quasimotors.gar.net/)

im thinking about a jr filter - just under £40 i have seen 'em...any good?K&N maybe?
I could have gone past 120, but after been humbled by a 520i i was crying so hard, the tears made the seeing the road difficyult(or that could just have been the typical lakes weather!)

Most people argue JR just as good as K & N but without the snob value price tag. I got mine atElkparts (http://www.elkparts.com/store/erol.html) I have the JR in both the 900 and 9000 and certainly feel the difference in throttle response

Hmmm a carlsson out run by a 520... not good! My 9-5 lpt can do 520's.......!!!

I got my JR filter from Elkparts.... think everyone will agree that they are hard to beat on service and price...

Elkparts (http://www.elkparts.co.uk)

jr filter sounds good!if i wanted the snob value i would have bought a beemer 520!!!!!!!!!(although on todays performance i maybe should have! http://www.saabscene.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
When i finally get the problems sorted, i will maybe want to tune/tweak/improve.
upgraded apc box?
Manual boost control?
definately jr filter
Is the carly suspension ok for slight power increases?I know the brakes are a little poor - rear discs need replacing in next few months, so a performance/value choice?Pads?
Again sorry for the questions!!!

A Hi flow air filter will only give you 2/3 BHP

You need to get this to a tech, it will be worth it......but it sounds like your licence will go quicker than the carlsson

Call this guy and have a drive to see him about 15 miles from Manchester 01254 830119

thats exactly what the girlfriend said
(about licence, not the filter!)
Seriously tho', I am not usually a wanker. Honest.
(well certainly not the driving type )

01254 - halifax? am i mistaken? Glossop?

What vintage was the 520? Was it the latest shape? (You've got me going now - I'm trying to get the performance figures!)

My Carly's official top speed is 147mph (speedo only goes up to 140mph!!!)

I'm sure the suspension can handle more power - there are plenty of 9000's (not all Carlsson's / Aeros) with 250BHP plus, as opposed to the 220BHP standard 2.3 Carlsson. See the thread 360BHP monster on EBAY (http://www.saabscene.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=14;t=000021) Problem is more likely traction - LSD can help, though at £900 isn't exactly cheap!

kevin, new shape ( off the top my head, i would say same weight(maybe bit heavier than 9k), ~160/170hp, 170lbft??
I knew some1 with 325 new shape with 192bhp, 180 odd lbft)
God my memory for inane facts is good, why can't i remember usefull stuff!!!!!!!!
I dont have my magazine selection with me!!!!
The 9k hatch is big, but maybe not that big (and 2 dogs, 2 people and a hell of a lot of luggage take up a bit of room - bet his beemer 520 saloon cant take rthat!!!!!!!)

Paul thats a Chorley number (monday to friday)

Whats the point of having a high performance car if you cannot give it a squirt once in a while.

You will have come to Blackpool next month and compare you carly to others

Mark

01254 = Blackburn

Check STD Codes here (http://www.brainstorm.co.uk/utils/std-codes.txt)

I will call him, who/what is he?

mpen - is that the North West Meet? It is starting to sound very tempting...

mpen, i will come - thanks for the invite - more info?
kevin, found beemer 520 stats on parkers.co.uk
1991cc, 150hp!!, 0-60 in 10.1, vmax 137mph (quite impressive
carly should chew him up, spit on him, then streak into the distance faster than a speeding bullet.

Kevin...yes, come up and give that carlsson a stretch, blow out a few cobwebs..lets see my old 2ltr can keep up with you 2.3 boys

Paul.. its a good realistically priceed saab tech, with a good selection of used spares called Brian, he will give you a good honest opinion

The North West meat info is on this (http://www.saabscene.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=000212) thread. I intend to meander sedately down from the Lakes, although the Missus has warned me about meeting men on the internet

thanks for the link - i also noticed a SOC meet in fife this sunday, i'm new, what is SOC (saab owners club maybe? Would i need to be a member to attend?)Where wouyld i get more info on this?
cheers
paul

*kevin, found beemer 520 stats on parkers.co.uk
1991cc, 150hp!!, 0-60 in 10.1, vmax 137mph[/b]As far as I know the 2.3 Carlsson:

220 BHP
0-60 - 6.5 secs
0-100 - 16 secs
max 147mph
40-60 4th gear - 5.2 secs
50-70 5th gear - 5.5 secs

The in gear times I'm not sure on the exact figures but the are in the 5 seconds (may even be in the 4 seconds)

As for the SOC (it is the Saab Owners Club)

See the Web Site (http://www.saabclub.co.uk/main.html)

The Fife branch does has a website, but there isn't a lot on it - no info about meets anyway...

mine is nowhere near this quick - is this 'old' style 9000 or cs?
0-60 i would say mid 7's, 50-70 in 5th, ive roughly counted(1 and 2 and 3 etc), approx 7-8 secs.
Took the car to a specialist in edinburgh today, he drove it - he says it is quick, but not quite as quick at top end (1st and 2nd gear - too wet to try, no TCS on my car - wahey!!!)3rd gear lacked sharpness, fizz, initial acceleration was ok, then boost fell away...make sense??, this is what he said to me...and what i imagined was wrong..ideas??)
cheers
paul

I have timed the in gear times of my Carly (old shape) and the times are very similar to those given above. Never done a 0-60 though as I'm scared of buggering the gearbox (the car has over £4000 of gearbox work in it's history http://www.saabscene.com/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif )

Not tried out the top speed either, though I wouldn't be overly concerned even if it topped out at 120moh, as long as it got there quick enough!

Mine is the old shape, though I'm sure that the gearing and power in the CS Carlsson is the same (can anyone else confirm this?) The Aero has 5BHP more power, but because of the different gearing, does not feel quite so wild or quick as the 2.3 Carlsson.

Paul/.

From a personal point of view, do get a performance dump valve and a bleed valve in the wastegate pipe, as already mentioned in previous posts on this thread.

A few of us took our 9000's to the SEC A.G.M last month, and took Kevin,Gassy and Jason(these names keep cropping up!!) for a quick spin in my 2.3 FPT.

On a subsequent thread, Kevin posted something to the effect;

"Andys car with 4 people in it was faster than my Carly with just me in it"

Ok, I have removed CAT, upgraded with a trionic for another 40BHP and got bigger rear box, but the 2 valves alone go a massive way to holding boost and giving that kind of ooomph

Cheers, Andy
260BHP ish http://www.saabscene.com/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif

p.s;
I am needing to get head gasket and timing chains etc' done soon, have been pushing things a bit I suppose
But wont she be sweet afterwards ?

Andy

Yeah Andy, your car is bloody quick.

My 2.3T CD is also bloody quick, and thats completely standard, I suppose it just depends how well the ECU, APC and sensors are working together. If they aren't working that well together the bleed system is the most economical solution. I still think Paul should check the general engine condition before he does that.

Looking forward to the next meet to compare performance BTW.

I've just had a sensor replaced on my 91 carlsson ecc or something its called,its before the throttle housing about level with the cylinder head,i was told this sensor deals with alot of info for the engine,now the car feels abit faster boosts just into the red but i still feel its not as fast as it should be,maybe a few of us carlsson owners should meet up i'm in kent or huntingdon.

stuart

91 black carlsson