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welshwizard
10-19-2002, 11:35 AM
Finally, the day has arrived to have my double header test drive - a Vector 2.Ot Auto and a Vectra 2.2 SRi.

I only managed to sit in the Vectra as Nidd Vale decided to have one of their used car weekends (the sort where £500 is chopped of the price of the used car and you face getting £700 less for your trade-in) - back to the Vectra later.....

Like the 9-3 H brought to the midlands meet it was a silver vector saloon with the auto box, but with park assist and sports chassis.

Verdict? I loved it, the things that impressed me were visibility, refinement (it was so quiet), comfort level (the seats and wonderful), performance from the 175brake turbo engine and the handling (it felt as if it was on rails).

Took a while to get accustomed to the auto box, yes I have driven autos before, but not with turbocharged cars, so if you're not careful you find that auto box changing up at the wrong moment. So this is where the manual shift option comes in useful and I found the setup so easy to use after a while.

Yes, the ride was a bit choppy, so is my Vectra's. Handling was superb, it felt incredibly agile through the corners

As to the quality of the interior trim, I had no complaints. It is definitely classier than the Vectra SRi, slightly less spacious but it is a physically smaller car. The main complaint I had about the old 9-3 was the space in the footwell, no such problem with the new car.

Lookswise - it does have presence, but it would be better with the lip spoiler from the Aero.

would I buy one? - yes, but I would not be able to afford a brand new one (car is listed at £26k) but I want to wait until the Aero comes out and see what that's like.

Went back to the Vectra - dealership was too busy with teenage girls cooing at the Corsas so I had to be content with sitting in the SRi in the showroom, I will reserve my verdict but it is reassuring to know that GM Europe has succeeded in producing two entirely different cars from the ground up using some similar components, one is a repmobile and the other being a sports saloon. It could have been tempting for GM to force Saab to build a clone of the Vectra, but they haven't (unlike the X and S-types which are Ford/Lincoln's in drag). I know the Vectra does have it many critics, but having owned one (an SRi, admittedly the best of a bad bunch) I really like them and I would consider having another one.

But after driving the new 9-3, well I know which one I would rather have...

Just to waste dealer's time I am also going to have a look at the following:
MG ZT 160 (just for the hell of it)
BMW 3-series (just to see if BMW dealers are any more or less arrogant than my last test drive)
Audi A4 - (as above)
Fdraud Mundano Zetec (just to see how bad they are)
Volvo S60 (if I can actually fit inside - I struggled inside the one in the Volvo Museum in GOthenburg).

I'm not wasting my time with the Passat - as the petrols are not refined and customer service is diabolical. The 9-3 is vastly superior. Why on earth do people consider the Passat a benchmark?
I know VW diesels are good but when it comes to petrol engines they fall behind.

And there are those who rant on about Honda Accords - wonderful engines the VTEC's they say! Ever driven a 1.8 Accord? It is the motoring equivalent of a Mogadon tablet. I was given one for a loan car, because I foolishly asked for a car larger than the Astra I was offered, and I wished I had taken the Astra. They are also insipid - a Lada Samara has more character.

After all that ranting, I think I've made my point. I like the new 9-3

john
10-19-2002, 07:03 PM
and the handling (it felt as if it was on rails).[/b]I don't understand why people make this analogy? My mode of transport five days a week is on rails and I find the handling and ride absolutely appalling - it feels as if it is on rails http://www.saabscene.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

1989agoodvintage
10-20-2002, 05:42 AM
LOL. http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/lol.gif

.. can't think of an alternative though. :/

Redleicester
10-20-2002, 08:25 AM
Sound like a practically identical car Welshie, apparently all the demonstrators and very similar. Incidentally, the Vector I drove did have the sports chassis - alledgedly it's not possible to find a Vector in the UK at the moment that doesn't! http://www.saabscene.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Hand another afternoons fun on Friday, and let the Stickinsect have a go too. Even she thought it was good, which is encouraging coming from a militant Anti-Saabist!

Still finalising spec. It seems that my dealer have dropped the ball, so to speak, so I shall be going elsewhere.... oh well, it had to happen eventually.

welshwizard
10-20-2002, 09:07 AM
Originally posted by /john:
QUOTE
and the handling (it felt as if it was on rails).[/b]I don't understand why people make this analogy? My mode of transport five days a week is on rails and I find the handling and ride absolutely appalling - it feels as if it is on rails http://www.saabscene.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif [/b][/quote]Suppose you are right there /john. In Ripon we haven't had trains since the 1960s and apparent;y the Leeds-York service via Harrogate is so bad it make Connex South East look wonderful... http://www.saabscene.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

H - there were four other Vectors in the showroom - all the same spec, one 1.8t, one 2.2 and two 2.0ts, and one arc (demo 1.8). Apparently no linears yet.

If I was to get one it would have the sports chassis, sentronic, but I can live without the comfort pack. Oh, and I would like a lip spoiler. But there again an Aero would then be the same price....

Redleicester
10-20-2002, 09:43 AM
It does seem dottie pricing doesn't it? Having driven a Vector 2.0t with Sentronic and Sports chassis, it seems really quite quick enough, but by the time you add Xenons and a couple of other niceties, it suddenly becomes more expensive than the Aero, which has them as standard...

Oh what a shame.... I'll HVAE to have an Aero then....

welshwizard
10-26-2002, 11:27 AM
Tried the Vauxhall dealer again today - no luck..

Went to the MG Rover garage to see the MG ZT and had a drive of the MG ZT 180 Auto.

Anyone ever driven one of these?

First impression I got upon entering the showroom was the lack of arrogance by the dealers, seems like they have faced up to the fact that they ahve to sell cars rather than them relying on the fact that they 'Above all, are rover dealers'

This MG ZT. They had no turbos in so off I went in the 2.5 V6 auto. As a driver's car I was most impressed, handling was pleasant, but ride was firm. In the green metallic the car certainly had presence and it does look imposing. Equipment levels are good. But I was most disappointed about the comfort levels, the base of the seat was a poor fit and I would suffering from centre console intrusion into my left peg. That was it's drawback.

I felt more at home in the car I sat in next, my Vauxhall.

Dealer admitted they are chasing a different market to that of Saab, but that there are a lot of models coming in in the new year.

But back at the Vauxhall dealer, standing amisdst all these lovely VX220s I saw a car on the forecourt that I think is as nice than the 9-3 SS, I think this will be joint top of my list when the time comes to change next spring. I'll leave you to guess what it is....

Eric van Spelde
10-26-2002, 12:36 PM
VX 220 Turbo?

welshwizard
10-26-2002, 02:40 PM
No VXs on the forecourt, nice try

Eric van Spelde
10-26-2002, 03:24 PM
Assuming there were only Vauxhalls on said forecourt, I give up

[duck & run]

Jez
10-27-2002, 01:18 AM
I will be interested in seeing what you think of the BMW dealership.

I went in recently with my fair lady to buy a Mini Cooper. Whilst there I nipped across to the BMW side to ask about the M3s of which they had quite a few in.

The most astonishing surprise was that their attitude was not one of "do you know how much these things cost kid?" as was the initial response when I went to look at the Aero.

"How much is that one?" I asked, pointing at a £45k model. He told me and then gave me a brochure and said let me know when you're ready.

If my dealership don't raise their game and improve their attitude then I will be giving the Aero back in 2 years and walking away without an SS as it is called and either buy a mini cooper S as I am so impressed with Jenny's or a BMW. And all because of the ****ty attitude of my Saab dealership. Oooops, this has turned into a winge. Sorry!

Jez
10-27-2002, 01:21 AM
and the handling (it felt as if it was on rails).[/b]How about - "it felt as if it was a mini"?!!!

welshwizard
10-27-2002, 06:59 AM
Originally posted by Eric van Spelde:
Assuming there were only Vauxhalls on said forecourt, I give up * * *

[duck & run][/b]No, nice try! It's a combined dealership in Harrogate, so there are lines of nearly new 9-5s (mainly Vectors) parked outside.

welshwizard
10-27-2002, 07:02 AM
Originally posted by Jez:
I will be interested in seeing what you think of the BMW dealership.

I went in recently with my fair lady to buy a Mini Cooper. Whilst there I nipped across to the BMW side to ask about the M3s of which they had quite a few in.

The most astonishing surprise was that their attitude was not one of "do you know how much these things cost kid?" as was the initial response when I went to look at the Aero.

"How much is that one?" I asked, pointing at a £45k model. He told me and then gave me a brochure and said let me know when you're ready.

If my dealership don't raise their game and improve their attitude then I will be giving the Aero back in 2 years and walking away without an SS as it is called and either buy a mini cooper S as I am so impressed with Jenny's or a BMW. And all because of the ****ty attitude of my Saab dealership. Oooops, this has turned into a winge. Sorry![/b]I'm waiting for the weekend I am due to work, considering the nature of the work I will be doing I will look and smell awful - and turn up in the 99. Nidd Vale Saab know me well enough now to give me a good welcome when I go in.

I will let you (and BMW GB) know how I get on.

Guest
10-27-2002, 07:12 AM
Welshchap, are you seriously intending buying a new car? And if so, are you seriously looking at options other than Saab, or Vauxhall?

I suspect that car salesmen are experienced in differentiating tyrekickers from serious prospects.

If you seriously intend to buy a BMW, then fine, but I don't see the point of complaining if you were never a serious buyer.

RR

Redleicester
10-27-2002, 11:15 AM
*I'll leave you to guess what it is....[/b]Oh God, he's going for one of those Nuclear-Powered wardrobes...... that heart rending nightmare that results from some gibbon at Luton getting hopelessly schlosched and suggesting they drop a Saab Turbo into a...... no I can't say it.....

into....
a.

Zafira. http://www.saabscene.com/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif http://www.saabscene.com/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif

Eric van Spelde
10-27-2002, 11:57 AM
I guess you can drop a Saab Turbo into just about any Vauxhall/Opel nowadays...

welshwizard
10-27-2002, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by r_renfield:
Welshchap, are you seriously intending buying a new car? *And if so, are you seriously looking at options other than Saab, or Vauxhall?

I suspect that car salesmen are experienced in differentiating tyrekickers from serious prospects. *

If you seriously intend to buy a BMW, then fine, but I don't see the point of complaining if you were never a serious buyer. * *

RR[/b]I have a fairly good idea what I want to buy, just depends on the finances, and my works bonus.. If the bonus is good then less of my other disposable income will be need to finance the new digital camera purchase. More more left - the more desirable Saab I buy - no bonus, then another 3 years of Vauxhall and the 99. Pure economics, and yes I need a digital camera.

Back your point about BMW, it is only reasonable that I should evaluate other cars even though I am fairly certain what I am going to buy. I'll tell the salesmen what I am in the market for, if they choose to ignore me well that's their commision gone. I will expect some arrogance from the german dealers, but I was pleasantly surprised about the MG dealer's pleasant attitude.

Let's see.