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captain aero
09-30-2002, 01:41 PM
Well it arrived, delivered to the front door. For the day at least. A 93 SS 2.0 t Vector.

The verdict?

Photographs do not do this car justice. In the metal it has a sporting, flowing stance that makes the outgoing 93 look ‘sit up and beg’. Even the 95 looks less agile against the 93 SS. I could even live with that C pillar door detail - just.

I’ve been critical of the rear end design and I am relieved it looks so so much better than I expected.

But this is a driver’s car.

Into the driver’s seat and away. What a paradox that a car that has ditched the rear hatch drives like a hot hatch?

Corners? Roundabouts? S bends? Does anything phase this chassis?

Memories of my Peugeot 306 Xsi tailgating a 325i through twisty B roads, but much much more refined. Torque steer? Dead and buried on the 93 SS.

This is surely the best handling compact saloon made today. BMW will have to eat humble pie when it comes to that Ultimate Driving Machine drivel while Audi chassis engineers must be scrambling for the drawing board.

The 175 bhp engine is so sweet with a gentle turbo whistle. The mid range torque for overtaking just adds a smile.

And the ride is so supple. No bounce and wallow whatsoever nor any bump and grind. With the optional sports suspension fitted this is a gem of a set up.

On dual carriageways it has a definite waftability and eats up the tarmac in silence.

But no car is perfect.

While there is a general solidity and rigidity about the feel of the car the interior is bit of a let down for me.

I like the satin ali trim splashed around the interior but the plastics and general fit and finish are a step backwards - even compared to the outgoing 93. It all says Vectra rather that Vector.

There were even a couple of initial interior squeaks which came as a shock - but these are early production days.

For me the ergonomics are good apart from the centre bin between the seats - I hit my elbow every time I changed from 3rd to 4th. And at 6 ft I hit my head getting out of the car a couple of times.

So Saab is alive and well albeit as a mainstream manufacturer.

Will it take away sales from BMW and Audi? You bet it will.

But I think it will only take away sales at the lower end of the ranges because BMW / Audi owners are going draw breath at that interior. The 95 still looks a league ahead in the quality department.

Would I buy a 93 SS? Even with reservations about the interior - yes I would.

As a postscript, all three of my children disliked the car (“it’s not an Aero coupe dad!”). My wife was a bit cool about it too (“that interior!”) as was my sister (“is that a Saab?”).

Perhaps I’ll hang on for a 9x....

Fawlty
09-30-2002, 03:55 PM
Nice one, Cap'n

A thought strikes me though - you and I have had remarkably similar feelings (although not entirely surprising as we both drive 9-3 Aeros ), particularly about the relative driveability of this car as opposed to our current car. But I have to hold my hand on heart, and admit that I have driven neither a current generation BMW 3 Series nor an Audi A4. However, I find it hard to believe that they could be dynamically better than the new car.

The motor hacks have generally applauded this new car, although they have almost all (certainly Car, What Car, Autocar, Auto Excess, the Daily Telegraph) said it does not match the 3 series and A4 for driveability.

Now either they are all on a bung, or they're speaking the truth. Or they have this weird idea that Saabs are [expletive deleted]/BMW can do no wrong, which seems to be the paranoia of this forum.

I dare say there are contributors to our forum who have driven these other beasties (I certainly would if I was thinking of buying a new 9-3, which I'm not). I know Eric has driven at least one, if not both.

I suppose I'll only know the truth if I go out and try them, and it will only be my opinion when I do

welshwizard
09-30-2002, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by Fawlty:
Nice one, Cap'n

A thought strikes me though - you and I have had remarkably similar feelings (although not entirely surprising as we both drive 9-3 Aeros * * ), particularly about the relative driveability of this car as opposed to our current car. But I have to hold my hand on heart, and admit that I have driven neither a current generation BMW 3 Series nor an Audi A4. However, I find it hard to believe that they could be dynamically better than the new car.

The motor hacks have generally applauded this new car, although they have almost all (certainly Car, What Car, Autocar, Auto Excess, the Daily Telegraph) said it does not match the 3 series and A4 for driveability.

Now either they are all on a bung, or they're speaking the truth. Or they have this weird idea that Saabs are [expletive deleted]/BMW can do no wrong, which seems to be the paranoia of this forum.

I dare say there are contributors to our forum who have driven these other beasties (I certainly would if I was thinking of buying a new 9-3, which I'm not). I know Eric has driven at least one, if not both.

I suppose I'll only know the truth if I go out and try them, and it will only be my opinion when I do[/b]It is pro BMW/Audi bias the press has, Saab has a long way to go before it will be accepted amongst the considered 'elite'

Apparently the 'benchmark' family saloon is the Passat - were you aware the centre rear seat passenger only has a lap belt (inertial reel of course to accomodate the fat sausage eating krauts). I believe there is less space in the A4 than there is in the new Polo. Comparing my mate's new Passat and my Vectra, I prefer the u know what, I really don't think VW's are as good as any other car. Same applies to Audi - whose styling is as stale as the 10 day old bread in my bread bin.

There will be some people, normal balanced people like ourselves, who will buy Saabs which represents an alternative sterile teutonmobiles and there is unfortunately those who are so prejudiced that they consider the 3 and the A4 invincible, despite the opposition.

It's the arrogance of the VW/Audi/BMW dealers that turn me away. That nice Mr Brown of Nidd Vale wants me to buy a car from him (his colleague wants me to buy another Vectra).

rob123
09-30-2002, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by captain aero:
Well it arrived, delivered to the front door. For the day at least. A 93 SS 2.0 t Vector.

The 95 still looks a league ahead in the quality department.

* [/b]Interested to know in what way you think it does. I am sure you are right. Have had my Aero 9.5 for 6 months now and love it. Had to change the dash though for a wooden one ( sorry Saabman )May be I am not that demanding, but the Aero has more than lived up to expectations . Could have even waited for a new 9.3 but that would have cost me the 6 months in the Aero and that is now difficult to contemplate http://www.saabscene.com/forum/images/smilies/fawlty.gif http://www.saabscene.com/forum/images/smilies/fawlty.gif

captain aero
10-01-2002, 03:33 AM
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *The 95 still looks a league ahead in the quality department.

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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Interested to know in what way you think it does.[/b]Rob123

The 95 employs far superior plastics and other dashboard/door lining materials than the new 93 SS.The fit and alignment (at least on the car I tried) was not of the same standard either - by quite a margin.

The outgoing 93 interior is better in both "ALIGNMENT and QUALITY of materials" departments (I'm comparing my two 93's and numerous experiences as a Saab passenger).

The A4 and 3 Series use better materials for the dashboard and door linings than Saab's new baby.

Redleicester
10-01-2002, 05:44 AM
Chaps, in my extensive testing, just to eliminate all comers, I have test driven the following:-

Classic 9-3 Aero
9-3SS 1.8t Arc
9-3SS 2.0t Vector Manual
9-3SS 2.0t Vector Auto
Audi A4 1.8t SE & Sport
BMW 325 SE Manual
BMW 330 Sport Auto
Jaguar X-Type 2.5 SE Auto
Jaguar X-Type 3.0 Sport Auto
Mercedes C-class Kompressor Avantgarde Auto
Lexus little thingy 2.0 Manual

I've started a new thread of comparisons.