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: Aero Review. Why Oh Why Oh Why - Anne Robinson type letter to editors of Edmunds



siwatkins
06-15-2002, 06:47 AM
Not often I get fired up, but I thought I'd share... (Warning, long....)

Dear Sirs,

I write in disgust at the recent Erin Riches review, and clearly inaccurate, biased Road Test on the 2002 Saab Aero. In brief, I believe the article to be full of factual inaccuracies, comments that would indicate that the reviewer hasn't actually tested the car in reality and tactical omissions that make one wonder at the credibility of Edmunds car reviewers. One wonders whether the article was posted by Edmunds as counter to an allegation made on the very active Saabnet forum:-

"A while ago someone from the Edmunds boards came here and posted a negative message about the 9-5 and then started to post negative replies using different names. I caught the IP in the logs and when I brought it up to the Edmunds admin over there, they quickly suppressed the fact - didn't want anyone to know about it.

-Scott"

Regardless, my comments about the review: http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/roadtests/r...75/article.html (http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/roadtests/roadtest/64475/article.html)
are shown below.

>Saab hasn't enjoyed a significant increase in sales over the last decade

Errmm, sorry, but I think Saab would have something to say about that!

>As always, though, numbers are only part of the story: if you're a turbo fan, you'll probably like the Aero's engine — it feels and sounds great above 2,000 rpm, and even better above 4,000 rpm, and it revs more smoothly than most high-pressure turbos.

Probably revs more smoothly than all high pressure turbos! Has your reviewer understood the concept of twin balancer shafts?

>But if you merely want a fast luxury car for $30,000 to $40,000, we think you'll prefer the more even power delivery of a six-cylinder engine.

Doubt it - show me a V6 (*at the same price*) that has a smoother engine!?

>You can get a V6 in the 9-5 Arc (albeit with a light-pressure turbocharger attached to it), but the G35, TL Type-S and 330i (not to mention the Audi A4, I35/Maxima and Chrysler 300M) all provide substantially more naturally aspirated power than the Arc for less money — in some cases, far less.

The v6 is not the engine to go for in the Saab 9-5 - the Aero engine offers more of everything - Torque AND Power - why didn't they mention that?. Guess your reviewer didn't do much research before writing this article. Can your reviewer use a Browser? Try www.saabnet.com (http://www.saabnet.com) .......

>Take the Aero out on public roads, and you'll enjoy perhaps the most refined suspension ever offered by Saab. In the larger context of entry-luxury sedans, however, it's nothing special.

Has your reviewer actually tried anything else? The above comment suggests not....

> If this is the way you drive most of time, the Aero will certainly suffice, but you could save yourself some money by going with the less sporting Linear model.

LOL - credibility meltdown. The Aero has SPORTS suspension! It will "suffice"? - get real - how about an unbiased road test Edmunds!?

>In spite of Saab's efforts to position the 9-5 Aero as an athletic entry-luxury car (since its introduction for the 2000 model year), we still wouldn't define it as such, even with the 2002 model's suspension upgrades — stiffer springs, retuned shock absorbers and thicker antiroll bars. When we pushed our test car into tight curves, we noted excessive body roll, as well as a strong predisposition toward understeer when exiting turns.

Guess Edmunds have a different view to pretty much every other road test. Could it be that the reviewer lacks credibility?

>Most drivers found it necessary to deactivate the system in order to give the Aero a serious workout, but in case your enthusiasm impairs your judgment, Saab made it tricky to turn ESP off: According to the owner's manual, ESP cannot be shut off at speeds above 35 mph, and even when it is turned off, it is always operative during braking.

Excuse me? "Most Drivers"? Can you back that up with how many drivers you polled to make the claim "Most Drivers"? Absolute tosh. Never had to deactivate it yet! It does it's job.

>As we eagerly pressed the throttle to power out of turns or glide down empty two-lane straightaways, our steering inputs and our gusto were immediately checked by heavy amounts of torque steer (not unusual in high-power front-drivers but especially pronounced in Saabs), the drive wheels veering outside of our intended path.

Ahh, so the reviewer didn't drive the car at all! There is practically no perceptible Torque Steer on the 2002 Aero. What car were they driving?

>Overall, the cockpit has a cozy, almost cramped feel (as if you were sitting in coach class)

LOL. This is a car with MORE interior room than anything else in it's segment. I guess your reviewer knows how to spell "Hidden Agenda"

" in consequence, we found that there weren't enough places to stash small items like cell phones,"

Doh! Saab provide in their Accessories catalog a very nice Cellphone mount, not to mention door mounted pockets. Guess what? The Audio system is pre-wired to enable you take/make calls through the Stereo. As standard. Did that get a mention? No...

" garage door openers (HomeLink isn't available) and tins of mints."

Reviewer didn't find the seat pockets in the front of the seats then? Either they didn't drive the car, or they didn't do much research here. I suspect the former, picking up on out of date reviews by other testers of older models. It certainly wasn't a 02 they could have been testing.

> The cupholder situation isn't any better; you have your choice of a funky holder that deploys from the center stack or another that's only available when the center console lid is open.

A cupholder that has been acclaimed by more Designers than this reviewer has driven cars apparently. I suspect Saab have made more sales through the design of this cupholder than any other more important feature - such as Safety, safest in class.

"Still, we had a couple of small complaints: First, we wish the telescoping steering wheel provided a greater range of adjustment; and second, a sedan in this price class needs to provide height-adjustable seatbelts (which are already a staple among economy sedans)."

What a surprise. Again the reviewer shows a lack of research. What's wrong with the telescoping adjustment? It has plenty of range! And height adjustable seatbelts. LOL, the reviewer didn't note that they are height adjusting. And not only that, they automatically adjust!!!

"Getting in and out of the 9-5 was a little tricky for some of us."

As is reviewing a car impartially and accurately it would seem lol.

"The front doors seemed not to want to stay in their first hinged positions and swung back, bopping any heads and elbows that were in their way."

Perhaps the first, fair and accurate, very minor criticism. Nice use of artistic flair to make a mountain out of a molehill though - (H.I.D.D.E.N. A.G.E.N.D.A - spelt out for your reviewer...)

> Opening the doors wider solved the problem, but this wasn't always possible in tight parking lots.

Noooo, really? And that's a Saab quirk is it?

> Also, the door sills are rather high in the front and rear, so extra attention is required to avoid tripping over them.

LOL. Absolute drivel. (H.I.D.D.E.N. A.G.E.N.D.A - spelt out for your reviewer...)

>Editors were generally content with the visibility from the driver seat — helpful features include double sunvisors, an auto-dimming rearview mirror, memory for both outside mirrors and a built-in convex mirror on the passenger-side mirror. The latter feature was initially bewildering to a couple of editors, as images in the blind spot region (cordoned off from the rest of the mirror) appear distorted.

Convex mirrors - now incorporated by other luxury makers. Surprised (very) that your reviewers hadn't picked up on what is a very useful safety feature before. They do test drive these cars they write about don't they?

>Rearward visibility isn't great because of the 9-5's high rear decklid (a Park Assist feature was made available as part of the Touring Plus Package starting in March 2002)

Worse than on any other large luxury Sedan, thus worthy of comment? No. (H.I.D.D.E.N. A.G.E.N.D.A - spelt out for your reviewer...)

> and we would have liked an auto-dimming feature for the outside mirrors.

And now we get onto things that didn't make the feature list. Show me a BMW that is as well equipped as a Saab at the same price? You can't? Oh. (H.I.D.D.E.N. A.G.E.N.D.A - spelt out for your reviewer...)

>The rear seat is well-cushioned and supportive; a single-setting seat heater can warm up the entire bench on cold days. Leg- and shoulder room is about average for a midsize luxury car, but toeroom is tight.

Toeroom is tight? They did actually get in the back did they? Toe room extends the length of the seat in front. How the reviewer could possibly say it's tight, would suggest that they didn't actually review a real car.

> It's possible to put three kids back here,

Nice (H.I.D.D.E.N. A.G.E.N.D.A) comment. It's possible to put 3 large adults back there in comfort. Try that in a 3 series. (Bumped heads anyone?)

>but the center passenger doesn't get a headrest and a hump limits legroom.

Show me any manufacturer that provides a centre Headrest as standard for the *same* cost as the Saab with all the other extras that Saab provide as standard. Also show me a German manufacturer that includes a 3 point belt in the centre as STANDARD. Show me any car where the centre console doesn't limit legroom for the centre passenger. Or do you want the centre console removed so you can criticise that? There is nothing that can be done by any engineer of any car - centre console will limit centre rear legroom. Period. Reviewer not been researching again? Tsk. Tsk. When you have only two passengers, they can take advantage of the fold-down center armrest, ...

>from which two flimsy cupholders deploy.

LOL. They are not in the slightest bit "Flimsy". Have we seen owners reports on Saabnet moaning about these breaking? Of course not. They've been around now for 4 years.... (H.I.D.D.E.N. A.G.E.N.D.A - spelt out for your reviewer...)

>The only disappointment we found back here was the temporary-size spare tire under the floor.

Disappointing for the reviewer not to find more?

>The secondary controls were less impressive, as only the driver and passenger windows were auto-down from the driver door (with no auto-up feature whatsoever).

Saab safety feature. It can't be cost - the electronics already exist in the car.

>The control stalks (wipers on one, cruise and turn signals on the other) are cheap plastic.

What did the reviewer want? Forged Aluminium? They are not "cheap" at all. This is again makes me extremely suspicious that the reviewer actually even tested this car.

>When we pressed the foglights button on the left side of the wheel, we noted four other unused buttons — odd considering that our test car had all available options.

Really? How about sensible. Saab thinking ahead for model revisions, provision for user fitted accessories without having to drill the dash? Yet again, a positive turned into a negative for some kind of hidden agenda.

>Although we liked the handsome leather, thick-pile floor mats and soft-touch dash and door panels in the Aero, some of the materials were out of place in a $40,000 vehicle — vinyl sunvisors and scattered cheap plastics with mismatched grain patterns.

What did the reviewer want the sunvisors to be made from? Wood? Doh. What BMW/Mercedes uses other than vinyl for sunvisors? Did they mention the secondary, very useful sunvisors? No, funny old thing....

> Build quality was below average, as editors noted rough edges on the visors and various plastic panels,

Nonsense. Better built than many recent Mercedes. Have you seen the plastic used in them? Or in Japanese cars?

> loose interior trim pieces, misaligned headlight and taillight assemblies and rear doors that didn't fit uniformly.

Really? Well, 4 x 9-5's I've never noticed a single flaw in those departments. Strange that your reviewer did then....

>Aside from its turbocharged engine and unusual cabin styling, there is nothing to distinguish the 9-5 Aero from its competitors.

Really? Can the reviewer spell Performance? Can the reviewer understand the concept of value for money? Do a proper review of this car versus any of the major manufacturer's equivalent, at the same pricepoint. So you'd be looking at best, a base BMW, with tiny engine, and no options. Clearly the reviewer hasn't done their research very well.

>Consider that you can get a real sport sedan like the 330i with a sport-tuned suspension and leather for roughly the same price

Oh.. it's a "real" sports sedan? What does 250bhp, 0-60 in 6.7seconds, sports tuned suspension, and torque levels that blow away the competition make the Saab then? (H.I.D.D.E.N. A.G.E.N.D.A - spelt out for your reviewer...).
Note that the 330i has MUCH less interior space. (some could call it cramped), and fewer extras as standard. Spec it to the same levels, and you are talking about a consiberably smaller car, with no performance advantage. And guess what, the 330i has sports tuned suspension LIKE the Aero, that will cause "rough patches of pavement tended to upset the chassis a little."

Enough dissection. It is clear that the reviewer has limited experience in driving and accurate reporting, let alone in driving the 2002 Saab Aero. It would be interesting to hear what Saab think, so I've copied this to their customer service departments, and to Saabnet, as I'm sure such a clearly biased, and non-impartial review will provoke lots of discussion as to Edmunds credibility as an automotive resource. I'm surprised that your editorial department didn't pick up on the gross inaccuracies in this article. Funny that the reviewer didn't pick up on the word "quirky" when they were amalgamating all their negatives about this car from other peoples reviews. Shame they didn't pick up on the positives too. Class leading Safety, Class leading performance, Class leading fuel economy for such high performance, superb ergonomics, practical common sense features, class leading reliability, class leading lighting equipment (funny the HID lights weren't mentioned), class leading value for money, class leading interior room, class leading comfort. It's not a perfect car, but compare it to anything else at the *same* pricepoint, and it knocks spots off the competition. Regardless of Class.

Disgusted at what was a clearly third-rate article about an A+ car. C- awarded to the reviewer with so little experience that they didn't even mention Twin Balancer shafts, amazing levels of torque, and outstanding fuel economy.

Suggest they might like to cut their teeth on something smaller and japanese....like a Nissan 240SX - they might actually be able to talk from a factual standpoint.

Simon Watkins (From the UK, 2002 9-5 Aero owner). And yes, I looked very closely at competition at the same pricepoint. Nothing else came close.

saabman
06-15-2002, 08:12 AM
Phew that was long,But your bang-on mate I may not have an Aero but most of the things will apply to any 9-5 and I can't fault mine on any of the above mentioned faults.The guy is obviously a MUPPET who should consider changing his career

murphwiz
06-15-2002, 08:23 AM
>The secondary controls were less impressive, as only the driver and passenger windows were auto-down from the driver door *[/b]Hmmmm I've looked round the door of my 9-5... can't find the window switches anywhere?
Ahhh just found them... in the centre console where they've always been.. http://www.saabscene.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif did they change the position in the aero for better dynamics?

And you reckon they didn't drive the car... i dunno!

siwatkins
06-15-2002, 09:58 AM
Very very good point about the Windows Murph!!! Noted your point on Saabnet. Can't have these danged merkin's spreading mistruths!

(or should that be lies....)

Simon

markcanderson
06-15-2002, 10:34 AM
Simon,

I read your letter and I think it's good that you correct the mistakes in the guy's review, however they way you've written it is a complete turn off.

Please don't take this the wrong way, because I applaud your efforts, but what you've written is a rant and I have doubts that it would be taken seriously by any editor.

If you want Edmunds to correct or revisit the review, you'll have to calm it down and write the thing more intelligently, otherwise it just looks like some saab nutter replying instead of a guy who knows his stuff and is showing their staff the error of their ways.

I too agree that many Americans just don't 'get' European/Scandic cars (which is fine, because on the whole we don't 'get' American cars) and in this situation doubly worse, because on the whole, most journalists don't get Saabs either.

Keep Aero'ing, but as Bono said in 'Auchtung Baby' - "don't let the [expletive deleted] get you down".

siwatkins
06-15-2002, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by Mark Anderson:
Simon,

I read your letter and I think it's good that you correct the mistakes in the guy's review, however they way you've written it is a complete turn off.

Please don't take this the wrong way, because I applaud your efforts, but what you've written is a rant and I have doubts that it would be taken seriously by any editor.

If you want Edmunds to correct or revisit the review, you'll have to calm it down and write the thing more intelligently, otherwise it just looks like some saab nutter replying instead of a guy who knows his stuff and is showing their staff the error of their ways.

I too agree that many Americans just don't 'get' European/Scandic cars (which is fine, because on the whole we don't 'get' American cars) and in this situation doubly worse, because on the whole, most journalists don't get Saabs either.

Keep Aero'ing, but as Bono said in 'Auchtung Baby' - "don't let the [expletive deleted] get you down".[/b]What! I'm a Saab Nutter!? Yeahhhhh! Point taken, and it is a Rant. Given that it's a Yank publication, I decided that was a better approach - subtle irony may have been lost (sorry to any Americans who get "irony" (no offense). Regardless, it made me feel better

Perhaps if a few more people take a stance and do something about this article though (perhaps write their own (more balanced!) critiques as well and send them to the editor ), it may make them think twice about submitting an inaccurate and unfair review. Heck, they might even revisit the article.

I've no problems with accurate criticism - the car has it's faults (which don't?), but uninformed people will use this type of review to make buying decisions. The Americans are particularly sensitive (IMO) to written product criticism. As the US is a key market for Saab to achieve sales growth, such biased reviews (by one of the largest auto review) houses, will do them (Saab) nothing but harm. And that ultimately hurts us all as Saab owners.

So yes, mine was a rant, but that doesn't mean your's has to be, nor anyone elses for that matter. A single nutter may not elicit a response, but letters from a few nutters amidst a pile of sensible pipe smoking saab owners definitely won't hurt.

The email addresses of the article author (and it was a She, who admits in her bio she has little motoring knowledge, are readily available from www.edmunds.com (http://www.edmunds.com)

Please write a response to Edmunds if you think the article was imbalanced and unfair. Especially if you are not a nutter like me.

And, couple more points - on Edmunds own review site, they list the Dimensions of the 330i that she so adores. Rear legroom 2 inches less. Front legroom less. And she calls the Saab cramped? Coach Class? Substandard build quality? Factual inaccuracies.

Yes, take my letter as a rant, but please follow it up yourself if you think the spirit of my disgust is valid

Simon

markcanderson
06-15-2002, 11:16 AM
bravo

pedrycymro
06-15-2002, 01:08 PM
You all forget that to the motoring press unless car is a Ford or a BMW it is [expletive deleted].

These people spend a day with a car and this 'automatically' mandates them to comment on a car.

Therefore a Saab and the Vectra are deemed as nowhere near as good as a 3-series or Mundano.

I love my Vectra SRi, there is little to criticise it (maybe depreciation), and the new Vectra (which has [expletive deleted] plastics by the way or have I been spoilt by the leather??) or 9-3 have to be quite special to be better, and people generally like the car for the way it looks (bravo irmshcer).

Do your worst Simon! The americans are pretty clueless at the best of times!!

pedrycymro
06-15-2002, 01:09 PM
You all forget that to the motoring press unless car is a Ford or a BMW it is [expletive deleted].

These people spend a day with a car and this 'automatically' mandates them to comment on a car.

Therefore a Saab and the Vectra are deemed as nowhere near as good as a 3-series or Mundano.

I love my Vectra SRi, there is little to criticise it (maybe depreciation), and the new Vectra (which has [expletive deleted] plastics by the way or have I been spoilt by the leather??) or 9-3 have to be quite special to be better, and people generally like the car for the way it looks (bravo irmshcer).

Do your worst Simon! The americans are pretty clueless at the best of times!!

Redleicester
06-15-2002, 02:28 PM
Spot on Simon, though I agree it was a little bit of a rant!

One of my friends reviews cars for a living here in the UK, and happens to think very highly of Saab, which as we all agree is rare! The odd thing is, and that which he find very frustrating, is that Saab GB don't seem to be too good at providing cars - even to those who look fondly upon them.

I have come across this in my own Pro-Audio reviewing work - so often, manufacturers look to the standard press or specific publications, ignoring those that might be recieved with more relish. Now I'm not saying that if Bottom Tear magazine happen to hate such-and-such a marque, that that marque shouldn't supply them with a car - of course not. However, it does make sense to perhaps concentrate on other viable routes to obtain as *balanced* an opinion as you can.

If you know one magazine is going to slag your car come what may, find one that won't and let the two cancel each other out!

One classic example how NOT to do it was a well known soundcard manufacturer who wanted to break out of consumer cards and establish themselves in Pro-Audio. The card appeared, we all thought it had what it takes.... and then weren't allowed any cards to review as the first FOUR months worth of press allocation went to idiotic consumer PC magazines - who all then said it was too expensive!

This didn't stop the card from selling reasonable numbers, but only to well-heeled PC users, and it never even made a dent in the Pro-Audio market, simply because none of the Pro publications even got to see the damn thing. One marketing push upwards falls flat on its face, all because they didn't realise that in taking their product upmarket, they had to do the same with their marketing!

There are some fools out there!

siwatkins
06-15-2002, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by Redleicester (H):
Spot on Simon, though I agree it was a little bit of a rant! * * *

<chunk snipped>

There are some fools out there![/b]Indeed, more ranting than a very ranty thing having a rant

Wonder if the motoring hacks having difficulty getting Saabs for a test drive had considered taking them out direct from a dealership - lots of 24 hour test drives on offer I guess they might not be allowed to do that - ethics or something...

Perhaps Saab have got fed up with the same old hacks writing such tired old adjectives as "quirky", "safe" etc.

I think Saab marketing should get more aggressive. Start doing comparisons in the press of their segment competitors cars spec by spec. So get a 5 series, and an A6 spec/options sheet, and list all vital parameters side by side. Do one Ad campaign on options/prices. Do another on performance. Do another yet on Interior space. Servicing costs, and so on. Do nothing but illustrate the facts, and have a tag line that says

"Why be a sheep, when there's flock all that compares to a Saab"

Perhaps a whole ad campaign questioning the cerebral functioning of those who follow the crowd I think most of us here have bought Saabs simply because we have intelligently analysed what is on the market and made an extremely considered buying decision. Not because Saab is a "safe" bet (although it is), but because your average Saab customer, is, somewhat brighter than those following the herds and able to work out for themselves a whole range of criteria that indicate that the marque simply offers more for less money.

I can feel myself beginning to rant again....

Simon

sgould
06-15-2002, 03:28 PM
CAR magazine have a 9-5 3.0TiD saloon on long-term test at the moment. Generally favourable reviews each month. Only things they don't like are
(a) that it's started running a bit rough this month.
(B) that they reckon that the ride/handling would have been better on the original 16 inch wheels rather than the optional 17 inch ones fitted.

Redleicester
06-15-2002, 06:36 PM
Interesting comments Simon. I agree they need to take the moose by the antlers and get back in the driving seat. <pun button deactivated>

The Dealer Information Pack for the new 9-3 is an interesting read. They on fact dedicate and entire page outlining the price/performace/spec advantages that the new 9-3 has over the Audi A4, BMW 3-series and Merc C-Class very early on in the document. I assume this is to inform the otherwise clueless dealers!

Also, the new 9-5 Aero full page ad's (see elsewhere on the BB) are now beginning to point out the tax vs performance advantages.... about time too - yet that is only appropriate for company car drivers, just at the time when huge numbers are opting out and making personal purchases.... too little too late yet again Saab.

vadonald
06-16-2002, 04:45 AM
When I read reviews of Saabs in magazines, I usually find that they prefer this car or that car - Saab's are still seen as quirky to many, tunnel mounted ignition usually mentioned, even Jeremy Clarkson when on Top Gear had to try and ridicule http://www.saabscene.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif what is a very good (and I mean VERY GOOD) anti-theft device.

But what seems very strange to me, is that when any Saab goes on long term test, the reviewer is usually very reluctant to give the car back at the end of the test - this happens time and time again.

Sure Saabs aren't perfect - what car is?

All I know is that I had a Saab - then I had a Honda, and in under 2 years I was back looking for another Saab.
Only problem is that I intended buying a 9-3 (used to own a GM900) so it seemed natural to me, but ended up buying a 9-5 - I drove it and just plain prefered it.

Strange really cos I never liked driving the 9000 when I had the opportunity - though I still thought they were very nice cars.

Vince

pva
06-16-2002, 05:58 AM
If you're fully convinced of all the stunning qualities of your Aero (and I seriously have no doubt that she's a stunner), then I wouldn't worry too much about a mutt reviewer. Take it whence it comes ......... SAAB will sell no fewer cars, afficianados will always recognise qualities, you and I celebrate difference and spirit, and as long as we can find and buy the car we want, who gives a damn about a silly reviews. If people are fool enough to take the reviewer's comments as gospel, they deserve a Ford or a BMW, not a SAAB.

I've never regretted my SAAB, knowing deep inside how good she really is.

siwatkins
06-16-2002, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by pva:
SAAB will sell no fewer cars, afficianados will always recognise qualities, you and I celebrate difference and spirit, and as long as we can find and buy the car we want, who gives a damn about a silly reviews. [/b]Sorry PVA, but I think you are wrong

Reviews like that, have and will influence buying decisions by non-enthusiasts. Saab (probably) doesn't want to just sell to enthusiasts - it wants mainstream sales, not just to those "in the know". That means catering to an audience who are largely influenced by the media.

You're right - it makes not one iota of difference to me now - I know the truth. However, Saab's longer term survival as a viable marque is probably dependent on increasing market share. They aren't in this for the love of it. I'm on my 4th Saab. I'd like to think that the marque continues to gain strength, thus helping me with residual values, and ensuring the brands success so I could buy 5th, 6th, 7th and more.

Saab residuals are already iffy, so this sort of article potentially does have an impact on desirability of our current cars to prospective future second-hand buyers.

And biased and inaccurate reporting by one of the largest auto media names in one of the potentially largest market areas in the World most certainly will adversely affect new sales. The US is very much ahead of us in terms of Internet accessibility and usage. You haven't got to have a lot of internet experience to see, every day, buying decisions being made over comments/articles that are written on the Web/Usenet. Doesn't matter whether or not it is true or not. But when it comes from an influential source such as Edmunds whom I perceive being as a US auto buyer's bible/authority, then the impact IMO is much worse. And US buyers are notoriously fickle at criticism of a product in my experience.

If I were Saab I'd be extremely concerned at seeing such an article published by Edmunds.

Just my 2 cents, YMMV

Simon

Thomas001
06-17-2002, 06:33 AM
Please everyone chill, at the end of the day everyone is allowed to have a preference. I have always liked Saab cars well half my very young life. When I met my now husband he always raved about BMW's until we got our first Saab 9000 in 1993. I did think I was dogs , 18 yrs old driving a Saab and 10yrs on afer having a couple of other cars that were nothing like a Saab but all we could afford at the time we are now back to having a Saab 95.
Out of all the possible cars we could have we both decided on a Saab. Very practical for us having 3 children under the age of 8. Plenty of room for kids and car seats. Ideal for going on holiday massive boot for all the luggage and pesty kids http://www.saabscene.com/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif and incredibly comfortable. Even more of a bonus the glove box that can keep your drinks chilled . Would I swop for another sort of car? I think not

captain aero
06-18-2002, 04:08 PM
Just let the press reviews go over your head. Whether it's a 95, 93 or new 93... we are in the know aren't we

I'm sure SAAB owners all drive around with a smug look on their faces - I know I do

Fawlty
06-19-2002, 07:51 AM
I don't actually think it's that bad a review. Given that all journalists are by job requirement fashion victims, and the reviewer can only pick out mainly subjective criticisms concerning the Saab's difference to the mainstream dross, we should be pretty happy. If saab aren't happy, then they should stick to quirky types and not try to go with the flow.

StephenA
06-22-2002, 06:50 PM
I tend to read car reviews and snort in disdain too.. the latest Civil Service Motoring Association magazine has a head to head between the Peugeot 607 Diesel and the Saab 9-5 and it is full of "wonderful" observations:

"The Saab's ride is more wooden, with stiffer spring rates making progress through town a lumpy affair. It settles down with speed but can;t match the Peugeots serene progress"

So the 9-5 is not fitted with 4 barrels of treacle as suspension then....

"the seats on the 9-5 are badly contoured and flat at the base so cornering support is lacking".

The last time I drove a Peugot I found the semi bucket seats to be too narrow for me (OK Call me a fat [expletive deleted]!!!).

"The leather seats in the 607 are an £1200 option"

No mention of the saabs leather seats (which are available).

"The electric adjustments on the Peugots front seats are an welcome addition"

So what about the Saabs?

"For style gurus rhe Peugots cabin is more aesthetically pleasing with faux-carbon fibre material in the center console"

Errr excuse me "Faux-carbon fibre" You mean plastic with an odd grain on it... and this is pleasing how?? Why not use REAL carbon fibre - lets face it - its not that expensive.

I dont think car reviews are worth the paper they are printed on... and anyone who buys a car based on the [expletive deleted] they read in the news paper needs their head examining...... the only way to find out is to test drive it.

Steve

rob123
06-23-2002, 02:04 PM
I read one review on the 9.5 Aero which claimed the car was 'unruly' http://www.saabscene.com/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif since the up-grade to 250 bhp. Made the wait for it to arrive even more of a chore