: 9000 CSE 2.0t question
05-23-2009, 03:48 PM
Righty, just bought this and I'm wondering if this is possible. The engine has the red DI Cassette and (i believe) is 150bhp. I've seen that the 900 comes with the same/similar 2.0 turbo engine rated at 185bhp, and the 9-3 SE Sport is another 2.0 turbo red top at 200Bhp. I guess the 200bhp is a high pressure turbo, so expensive, but would it be possible to get the 185Bhp at a fairly low cost from my engine?
05-23-2009, 04:02 PM
£250 should see you on the way to 220BHP+. Just need either the APC Valve or the Intercooler (whichever one is missing) and an ECU remap courtesy of a T5Suite user.
05-23-2009, 04:40 PM
The ECU is the easy part I think - the guys I bought the car from can do that.
I've had a look around the engine bay, but I don't know what the APC valve looks like (or generally where it is) but I don't think I have an intercooler though (I assume it would be at the front either under or to the side of the radiator).
For whichever is missing would I need to get a specialist part or could I just aquire a standard one and the needed pipework/connections?
05-23-2009, 04:51 PM
There are plenty of 9000s being dismantled so no problem with sourcing parts. I can probably help you out on that front.
To check if you have and APC Valve just look at the Right hand side of the Radiator. The APC (if fitted) is mounted on the Rad fan cowling and is a small cylinder thing with an elctrical connector and 3 small hoses coming off of it.
If thats in place then check for an Intercooler. Look down on the Turbo and follow the large diamater alloy pipe that exits from the Right Hand Side. Does it go straight up to the TB on the engine or does it head forward and under the radiator? If it goes up under the Radiator then its attached to an Intercooler. If it goes straight to the engine then you dont have an Intercooler.
Fitting an APC Valve takes 10 minutes but they are a bit inconsistent and there is no guarantee a second hand one will work. If you do buy then make sure you get the mounting brakcet and piepwork too.
If you have APC but no intercoler then you just need to buy an IC Kit. Its a bit more fiddly and time consuming but nothing too difficult for somebody who knows which end of a spanner to hold on to. If you buy an IC make sure you get the bottom mounting bracket and the extra Gromit along with the top 'L' Bracket. If these bits are missing the IC wont sit properly and you will keep popping the Induction Hose. Make sure you get the 2 Induction pipes too!
PM me if you want more help/assistance or need any bits. Ive got a few spares laying about ;)
05-23-2009, 05:33 PM
It's a wee bit late so I'll have a good look tomorrow (and get myself aquainted with the engine bay somewhat :)). From what you've said, it sounds as if I can do this, and in the near future fit an induction kit and maybe a decent exhaust and have a pretty decent sleeper?
I really like this car already and I've had it less than 24 hours, If that's the case can see why people fall in love with Saab's :D
05-23-2009, 07:50 PM
SAABs are very much like that. My first one was a 1994 2.0LPT Saloon. Supposed to have 150BHP but it was more than a match for a 9-5 Aero on a standing start and I used to take great delight in chasing down Type Rs, Imprezas and Evos in it. Even a Golf R32 had issues with shaking me off one eveing on a quiet country road :)
These cars dont do any one thing exceptionally well, instead they are just very good at almost everything. Ive owned most types now from a Slope Nose 2.0 Non Turbo right up to the Aero and they are a pleasure to drive. My 'Old Girl' is the oldest least powerful car in the collection but it will still outrun most stuff on the twisty backroads. They dont feel like they handle or brake very well but if youve got the confidence to chuck it at a corner it will come out the other side in one piece and still pointing the right way.
200BHP+ through the front wheels is madness in most peoples eyes but SAAB have made it work like no other company has. Bet you wont buy any other make/model for a while?
The other thing with these old boats is the ability to tune them. There are a few that are nudging 500BHP about. You can get to 400BHP easily with standard rods and pistons. The achillies heel is the gearboxes though. As youve probably got a 2.0LPT you will have a 4.05 or 4.45 gearbox. Too much torque and it will smear itself all over the road in a cloud of oily cogs! Drive it carefully or buy a couple of spare gearboxes!
05-24-2009, 04:20 AM
As Pug says, they can be quite effective Q cars and the change in a 2.0LPT with a little upgrading is amazing. I have a '94 2.0LPT which I put an intercooler and Stage 1 ECU in (both 2nd hand, cost less that £250 overall) at around 100k miles. Weak point is also the 2.0 clutch, it is slightly smaller than the 2.3. First time I hit the throttle the clutch gave up, but it was worn. With a change of clutch it was fine for about 8k, than started 'flaring', a quick spin on hard acceleration due to the mid range torque. It was changed as potentially faulty but looked absolutely fine. The new one has done the same. It has now done around 140k with no ill effects, other than the clutch which I just use a little more gently, one day I will put a 2.3 clutch and flywheel in it. The best part is when the boy racers in 206GTI's and go faster back to front caps etc find they cannot keep up with a stock looking grandads car!
I assume that, describing the car as a 2.0t, your car is post late '95 in which case it should have the intercooler but no APC. That makes it even easier/quicker to upgrade as both are really plug in.
05-24-2009, 06:09 AM
Righty, just bought this and I'm wondering if this is possible. The engine has the red DI Cassette and (i believe) is 150bhp. I've seen that the 900 comes with the same/similar 2.0 turbo engine rated at 185bhp, and the 9-3 SE Sport is another 2.0 turbo red top at 200Bhp. I guess the 200bhp is a high pressure turbo, so expensive, but would it be possible to get the 185Bhp at a fairly low cost from my engine?[/b]
Cactus, have a read Here (http://www.mintoff.co.uk/index1.html), OH, what year is she?
05-24-2009, 01:55 PM
200BHP+ through the front wheels is madness in most peoples eyes but SAAB have made it work like no other company has. Bet you wont buy any other make/model for a while?[/b]
I doubt it. My brother has a 55 plate 9-3 Aero and that was what initially got me into them (prior to this I'm ashamed to say Saab's weren't even on my radar :( ). I then had the chance to drive a 99 plate 9-5 2.3lpt, and I was hooked. When my previous car went wrong I had a hunt and found this one. I plan on keeping this for as long as possible, and will definitely be looking for another when it finally gets passed on.
I assume that, describing the car as a 2.0t, your car is post late '95 in which case it should have the intercooler but no APC. That makes it even easier/quicker to upgrade as both are really plug in.[/b]
Cactus, have a read Here (http://www.mintoff.co.uk/index1.html), OH, what year is she?[/b]
It's a 98 R Plate, so i think it's one of the last 9000's. I had a proper look and found it is indeed one with an intercooler but without the APC valve. So, I just need to aquire that and the mountings (it looks as if the power connecters are already present) and we'll be laughing.
05-24-2009, 04:28 PM
In the mean time I've been looking into T5Suite. Now while I'm not averse to EEPROM, firmware and other such updates (been doing so since the early nineties on varios different systems) Theres two hurdles - I don't fancy trying to change settings till I get it right, I'd rather have a premade map I could put on. That is a moot point however, as I have no access to a PC with a parallel port let alone the needed cable
So, that being said, who/where would be best to talk to in the East Midlands area who would have the T5suite software and a machine that can use it and could advise what the best map/settings would be?